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E25 From Hobby to Business: How Poy Twitchsri-Granati Became a Paper Florist 🌷🌼

How often do you plan your life? If you’re a high achiever, you may already be listing out things you want to do and milestones you want to achieve in life by a certain time. But, life never happens the way we want or plan. We’ll have to face failures, missed opportunities, and even a lot of disappointment.

If you start comparing yourself to others and wondering where you’re going, take the time to try something new.

In this episode, paper florist Poy Twitchsri-Granati joins us and shares how she went from advertising to UX designing to making paper flowers. She shares that paper crafting started out as a 100-day challenge that helped her relax during a 1½-year void in between her graduation and finding a job.

Success is never a straight line, it’s often a winding road with twists and turns. No matter what, show up. Overcome your fears and eventually, you’ll find yourself happy with where you are.

Listen to this episode and be inspired to keep working on your craft!

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🔥Here are three reasons why you should listen to this episode:

  1. Discover Poy’s career journey starting in Thailand to becoming a UX designer to becoming a paper florist.

  2. Why failures are necessary for you to grow and learn.

  3. How overcoming her fears led to Poy's success and how to apply this to your business and life.

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🎧 Episode Highlights

[07:26] Poy’s Story

  • Poy was born in Bangkok, Thailand, and grew up in a big family.

  • Since her father worked for Thai Airways, Poy was able to travel a lot as a child.

  • Her father was also able to bring home Disney and Broadway videos, which made Poy dream of becoming a Broadway dancer.

  • Her parents were supportive of her and eventually, Poy got into an advertising program.

  • Poy is currently a paper florist and UX designer.

[13:36] Poy’s Journey to the United States and New York

  • After getting her Bachelors in advertising, Poy worked for an American ad agency in Thailand.

  • She realized that she wanted to use her skills in both English and French. She then tried living in New York for six months and knew it was the right place for her.

  • In the full episode, Poy recounts her journey to study in the United States and become a UX designer for Estée Lauder.

[22:13] How Poy Started with Paper Crafts

  • Between her graduation at NYU and getting a job, Poy had a year and a half gap.

  • During this gap, Poy got into paper crafts and became consistent with the craft for 100 days. This helped her relax from checking her email for job interviews.

  • Around day 80 of her challenge, a friend paid her to make a bouquet of peonies.

  • She then took the initiative to visit pop-up shops and offer her paper flowers.

  • Her paper flower project actually helped her get hired with Estée Lauder.

Poy: "I was grateful that I have a lot of failures. You can learn from that, faillers doesn't mean that you are a failure. One direction didn't work so that you can go to another route." - Click Here To Tweet This

[36:23] How to Always Learn from Experiences

  • In the full episode, Poy shares her first pop-up experience with West Elm.

  • Even if she didn’t sell anything on her first day, she was noting down the kind of people who walked in.

  • Her experience taught her that what she loves to do may not be aligned with what people want to buy.

  • During the pandemic, she was laid off from Estée Lauder. Even though it was a painful experience, Poy was happy she was able to support her husband.

  • This time also helped her create Summer Space Studio.

Poy: "When you're putting yourself out there, even though your goal is to like…I have to make money right away. But then the value of you showing up, it's probably not money. Maybe it's a lesson maybe you learn something more about your business or like marketing" - Click Here To Tweet This

[44:44] How Poy Moved Forward with Summer Space

  • Start wherever you are and do what you can. Everything is difficult and it takes energy to make things happen.

  • Poy put all her focus on building Summer Space and didn’t apply for another UX job.

  • At some point, Poy learned to hire others to help her pack workshop kits.

  • Currently, Poy is outsourcing a video editor and writer.

Poy: "Start where you are, use what you have, and do what you can." - Click Here To Tweet This

[51:57] Why Poy Built Summer Space

  • More than creating paper flowers, Poy was able to meet all kinds of people through her in-person workshops.

  • She realized how her workshops were able to help people take a break.

[54:23] How to Become Successful

  • Success is not overnight, it’s often a long winding journey.

  • Even when nothing is happening, you can fill that void with something that can change your life.

  • Fear gets in the way most of the time. It’s important to show up. You never know what can happen unless you put yourself out there.

  • Poy shares how her successes can always be linked to people’s support.

  • She owes her Instagram success to becoming serious and consistent with showing up. In the full episode, Poy shares how she managed to partner with Adobe to celebrate AAPI month.

[1:09:48] Lightning Round with Poy

  • Poy is a Virgo and likes being perfect and organized.

  • For her, creativity is when you allow yourself to play with ideas.

  • Poy’s ultimate goal as a paper florist is to have a window display in New York City.

About Poy

Poy Twitchsri-Granati is the founder of Summer Space Studio. Through a project called '100 days of making', she taught herself to make paper flowers and fell in love with them. After the project, she decided to keep making flowers.

She was working as a UX designer for Estée Lauder with this project on the side. Eventually, she would host workshops, go to pop-ups, and decorate stores with her flowers. When she was laid off during the pandemic, Poy switched her entire focus to Summer Space, and she has been waking up joyfully ever since! Poy now lives in Long Island, New York with her spouse and the studio's boss cat, Willy.

Want to learn more about Poy’s work? Check out her Website and workshops.

You can also connect with her on Instagram.

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Poy Twitchsri-Granati: I was grateful that I have a lot of failures, so you can learn from that. Failures doesn't mean that you’re a failure. It's just like One Direction that didn't work so that you can go to another route.

Diana Davis: Welcome to Pollen, the podcast for creative entrepreneurs. I'm your host, Diana Davis, multi passionate creative, business coach, Gemini, manifesting generator, macho drinker and travel junkie. I'm also the founder of Diana Davis Creative, where I went from a six figure photography business to coaching creative entrepreneurs like you. If you want to have a career and a life you love, you're in the right place.

On this show, I'll be coaching on all things, creative entrepreneurship, and you'll hear stories from fellow creative entrepreneurs that will show you it is possible to do life the way you want to. They'll share the nitty gritty of their journeys, like the real shit, and how they are doing it differently. I'm stoked to have you along on this journey. Let's go. Hi, Pollen listeners. We have another epic episode for you this week.

But before we dig in, I want you to know what's going on in the world of DDC. We are opening our doors for the waitlists for all of our programs right now. The next Camp Clarity Round Seven, it just turned two years old, insane, is starting in October, so you can hop on the waitlist right now. Link is in the show notes. Link is in the bio in my Instagram. You can go to Diana Davis Creative and learn more about it.

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That is for the entrepreneur who is already getting clients having things flow in, but you're ready to expand, ascend and grow with a beautiful, incredible group of other women creative entrepreneurs. The last thing that's so exciting and this is what I talked about when I say detox your product suite, I have created and honestly morphed my one on one container. So I used to do one on one clients for three months.

We'd have a call almost every week. We had a Slack channel, and it was amazing, but it was no longer lighting me up and it was no longer fitting with my lifestyle or my clients’ lifestyle. So we have launched a brand new container that is Voxer only, and it is basically having a coach in your back pocket. So we're able to chat throughout the week, really workshop anything that's on your mind, in your business, anything that's really activating right now or potent for you, and I am there.

Instead of having zoom calls every week, being tied to a schedule, Zoom fatigue, you can just have me at your fingertips basically on this walkie talkie app. I do this with my coach, and it's incredible. I can't wait to work with the three people who I'm going to accept into that program. You can also apply for that in the show notes, and the link in my bio or on my website. Without further ado, here's the next episode.

Hi Pollen, another amazing guest episode coming at you. My friend Poy, who is a paper florist, is on this episode. She's originally from Thailand, so I think that adds a whole other dynamic to her winding path and how she made it to New York and went to NYU and all of these amazing things that she's created for herself by really having her boots on the ground and getting her hands dirty and not being afraid to be told no.

So I'm so excited for you to hear her whole story. Dig in, enjoy, reach out to her, say hi. She'd love to connect with you. If you resonate with this episode, please screenshot it or share it to your stories on Instagram and tag me at and Poy Summer Space Studio. We'd love to hear where your takeaways are, what they are, where you're listening from, all of the above.

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My friend Poy, she is the founder of Summer Space Studio. She makes these beautiful, beautiful paper flowers, but she has a whole winding path that we're gonna dig into today of how she even got there and what being a creative in that space looks like. So Poy, hello. It's so amazing to have you. How are you?

Poy: I'm good. Happy Friday.

Diana: Happy Friday.

Poy: Thank you for having me.

Diana: So excited to do this, and just a little side note, I think we're sharing like, we were supposed to do this two days ago. I had a migraine and I had to cancel. I just want to do a little PSA. We were both talking about this a minute ago, that you are the CEO of your life and your business. You're allowed to ask people to give you a break and say, hey, I need a sick day. I think we do not that a lot as entrepreneurs. So just a little PSA before we get the start.

Poy: Yeah, for sure. On my side, usually Fridays is my creative day, so it's a day that I don't put makeup on, it’s a day that I'm like wear comfortable clothes and like take in the creative projects that I've been putting away. Usually, I don't take calls but like that flexibility. You just understand who's the other person and then like you put yourself in others one's shoes that they need a break.

They need the rest and then if that time and space works for you like Friday morning, sure, I'll hop on and then the rest of the day, I can dedicate that to myself and then, works out and works out.

Diana: Yeah, I love that you have it as your creative day. I keep Fridays really open too. Mondays are like my CEO day, get everything done before, meet with my team, no calls, try to get prepared for the week, and then Fridays, I always try to just take super chill for things like this, and also just to like have a little sanity, and yeah, creating that white space in your calendar to just have that flexibility.

Poy: Very important.

Diana: Okay, boy, you have such a cool story, and I'm sure I'm gonna learn a lot. I would love to know, who was Poy as like a little girl?

Poy: Oh, that's a really good question. Because right now, we talked before as a Virgo season, so I tapped into my little childhood, like a little Poy a lot to kind of unfold some of the secrets or maybe the memories that I forgot. So I was born and raised in Bangkok, Thailand, and growing up in my home, I was living with like a big house with five houses together, All my dad's side of the family were there.

So I grew up with a lot of cousins, uncles, aunts, and whatnot, and a lot of dogs and cats around me, which is not really normal for people living in Bangkok. So thinking Bangkok is like Manhattan, and then, where I live, it's probably like in Queens, so it's more space and big family and whatnot.

Yeah, so saying that the story is because of like there's never a moment of silence, and then every day or every time we go somewhere to market or something, we always think about other people, always, like, oh, I got this, I don't know, this Thai food from the store, and then let's get five of them so that we can share to other houses and the other houses does the same. So this is something that I've always had, and then, it's still happening right now.

Every time I see something that someone would like, I would buy extra. I haven't thought about this until recently that every time we go somewhere we buy something extra. But then also that's kind of tapped in how I wanted to connect it to other people and then see them as like, not like taking them in right away, but I see them as family as cousins and never expect anything in return if that makes sense.

Diana: Wow. I love that. That's so heartwarming, and we don't do that here, especially you live in New York now. We don't do that in New York.

Poy: Actually, it’s weird, like, oh, why are you so nice to me?

Diana: Exactly. People walk down the street and say good morning. You're like what is your problem? What do you want?

Poy: Why are you're talking to me?

Diana: Were you creative as a kid?

Poy: Yeah, I think continuing to that story. I think growing up, I remember that I wanted to be a Broadway dancer.

Diana: Oh my god. I love that. Yeah.

Poy: Like I grew up with Disney. So my dad, he traveled a lot. He used to work for Thai Airways, so he travel every month. Sometimes we pack our bags. We go to Spain, and then a week later, we go somewhere in Europe or Asia and whatnot, so I traveled a lot when I was young. Then, one thing like, he came to America a lot because Airbus, and I think Boeing is here, either one of them. Like, one of them's in France, one of them in Seattle.

Diana: Yeah. Boeing.

Poy: Yeah, he travelled here. Back then, we didn't have all the cable TV and whatnot, so he would buy the Disney videos from the States, and he brought it back to Thailand. Then, I grew up with all English videos. For some reason, I didn't understand any words, but I was just practicing the accents, and like, oh, Jasmine, Princess Jasmine and whatnot. So I think I'm not sure when that I was introduced to the first Broadway show.

I think I saw some video or went somewhere, and then, saw the play or something. Then I was like, oh, I want to be in that show. I don't want to be the one in the spotlight. I want to be the ensembler in the background, like singing and dancing and coordinating. I thought that was really cool. So that was me growing up, wanted to be a dancer.

Diana: Were you dancing around your house and like practicing and things?

Poy: A lot of times.

Diana: Yeah. Just digging into the bigger picture, do you feel like your parents were really supportive of that kind of endeavor?

Poy: Ah, yes, and no. I think when I was growing up, I was trying to find a path where I think, that was when I was 9 or 10, and then after that, I went to a girl boarding school, which is founded by a Christian missionary. So with that context, it's basically if you go to like a boarding school who founded by the American missionary, your English is better, because you have native speaker from America or England to come to the school.

With that story, basically we have like a Broadway play for our high school. and then, I was trying to get the part in that play, and then I couldn't get in. I was told that I'm like a pretty tall for Asian.

Diana: Oh my God.

Poy: I'm taller than other person, and then in Asia, Thailand specifically, if you have a darker skin tone, it’s considered that you're not beautiful in a way. So I got bullied a lot, being dark and too tall and too large for men.

Diana: We always find something. Right? We always find something.

Poy: Yeah, it's funny to look back right now. I'm like, why did I feel like that? Yeah, but anyway, that's the whole story. But they were very supportive, and then, they were like thinking that if this is what I want, do that as a hobby. I think they didn't say, oh, you have to be a doctor. You have to go to business school, like never ever said that. They just basically say, okay, if you wanted to go for a dance lesson, let's do it.

If you want to take piano lessons, let's do it. Then, they fully support of what I wanted to do, and that's why I got into an advertising program, yeah, for my bachelor.

Diana: Yes. Okay, so pausing for a second, tell us who you are now. What do you do? What would you consider your title as the paper flowers in Summer Space Studio and all of that?

Poy: So I consider myself a entrepreneur, of course, and a paper florist, and then, a designer. I work as a UX designer for a while, and then I'm still honing in that knowledge, and I challenged myself to go back to UX whenever I can.

Diana: Yeah, I love that. So cool. So you got into an advertising program. Tell us kind of from there. How did we wind ourselves to New York? Connect the dots for me.

Poy: Yeah, so I did my bachelor in advertising, and then worked at an ad agency for a few years.

Diana: And this was in Thailand?

Poy: In Thailand. Yeah, I work for McCann Erickson, which is American company. Then you know, I love the advertising environment. I love taking different projects. I was an account executive back then, so like client service. So it was like a learning curve for me, like how to talk to clients and I work late nights and it was crazy. But again, I had a great team and I had really great people that I worked with and taught me a lot.

So I was really grateful for that. Then after that, I think I shifted a little bit to doing advertising, but on the client side. Then, I was working with this organization where they promote, like good health type things or like doing that positive change in society and whatnot, and then that's kind of tied with the government.

So, I got bored because one day, I was like, I love doing this thing, like juggling between projects, but one thing that I love doing is using my English, because I was really happy and like, a different person when I speak another language. At that time, I stood no French, so I took English and French, and then I'm like, I want to be in an environment that people speak in another language.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: So then, I was looking into like, okay, do I change my job? What should I do? Do I be the producer, trying to do production side type thing? Then, my dad said that we have an aunt who lives in Queens in New York. So my dad was like, okay, so if you want to try something and go somewhere, we have a free rent in Queens, why not try that for six months.

But before you go, you need to make sure that you get a higher score in IELTS and TOEFL, which is like an English proficient test before you come to the States. Before you go to school, you have to take that test. I'm like, okay. I think the full score was 120 or something, and then my goal was to get 100. I think I got like, 96 or something.

Diana: Okay.

Poy: Yeah. Then my dad was like, alright. Yeah, challenge myself to go a little higher. Fast forward, I was in New York for six months, connecting with people and doing crazy things that I didn't know. Like, why would I doing this? Attend a lot of events. Yeah, and then, six out of six months, I went back to Thailand. I'm like, I feel like I like myself when I'm here. It's just something about New York, right? Yeah, it was weird. I remember looking back into my journal, and I was like, oh, like New York, I love and hate this a lot.

Diana: Of course, always a love-hate relationship.

Poy: Yeah, I was kind of working a little bit in Times Square, so you know how that is. At first, it’s like, oh, Time Square, and then looked back, and like, why. Why did I do this to myself? But it was a good life lesson.

Diana: Totally.

Poy: It's a good life lesson. So with that, I went back to Thailand, and then apply for school. So I know that now that I wanted to be in New York. I wanted to come back. So I looked into like grad school, and then, there was three choices. I want to go to Pratt and SBA for branding, and then I think, was Parsons. I don't remember correctly. So the first year, I didn't get in any of those. So I enrolled into Pratt, like one year program, which is in computer graphics.

Diana: Okay.

Poy: Then, I had a really great teacher. I'm so lucky all these times. Like, I had really good friends and teacher and friends, I still like being friends with since day one. They were very supportive. I kind of fell in love with branding and web design, but back then, UX wasn't a thing that was 10, 9 years ago. So yeah, I know that I like to design something that is a collection or something that has a nice set of colors or shapes and whatnot.

So I after this one year program, I worked as a freelance for a little bit because after you finish school, you get like a one year. It's called RPT, which is like a training for international students to try it out and work legally in the US. So I did that for a year, and then I feel like okay, maybe it's it's not branding that I love. Maybe it's something else. Maybe it's something more.

So I found myself that I like to kind of like debrief and then, see whatever problems that we see in the real world and like, oh, how do I fix this flow? If this ATM doesn't work, where the button should be? How do you guide a person to complete a certain task? Then, I didn't know back then that's UX. Yeah. So I was talking to a lot of people to get into grad school. Back then, I'm like, okay, I work for a little bit.

I have some portfolio, then maybe look into interactive design. So I applied to SVA again, because I just want to get in. Then I found out about this program at NYU call Interactive Telecommunications Program. The name doesn't say much, but it's basically a playground for like futuristic and anyone who wants to play with technology. You don't have to be a designer to join the program.

I have friends who are engineer, teacher who just want to putting technology and then, add it to like a different thing in the world.

Diana: Yeah. Yeah, it makes total sense. It's really cool.

Poy: Yeah. So I guess after that, with the two years over there, and then, basically find a job in UX and then work as a UX designer at Estee Lauder for a year. Yeah, no big deal, and then that's what be the other side of the story. That's when things are like, oh, roller coaster.

Diana: A little roller. Yeah.

Poy: But I'll stop there if you have any questions on that.

Diana: No, I think it's really cool that you were just so determined to make it over here and keep applying and being rejected, technically, right? I was talking in my mastermind the other day, how it's not always a no. It's a no right now, right? Like even when I’m traveling, it's like I'm traveling right now full time. I wanted to do this in 2020, and it wasn't until right now, but it wasn't forever. So I just think there's like so much persistence and all of this.

Also, I just like to point out because I was just in Europe, and everyone speaks three languages. That oh my God, as Americans, we tend to be so lazy with language. It's like, we only speak English. You're over here, learning French and English from scratch, and they're not your native languages. Immersing yourself into a country that really only speaks English unless you find someone specific

Poy: And Spanish.

Diana: And Spanish. Yeah. I just think that's so cool, and it's really inspiring for me to want to learn other languages and things like that. So I just think all of it's really cool. So you got into Estee Lauder. Poy and I lived super close to each other on that side, by the way, and still have never met in person. We're gonna make it happen.

Poy: Crazy. Yeah, definitely gonna have to make it happen.

Diana: But New York, you have all these really big names that people from the outside of New York Worlds are like, holy shit, you had an interview with Bon Appetit Magazine, or whatever. It's kind of wild. I would love to hear your perspective on this. But for me, it was like, all these big shiny names, especially this ranch girl coming from Colorado, but it's actually not that big and shiny.

It's just another person behind a desk, behind an email, and it's just another brand. But New York happens to have some really big ones that you can be a part of. So I'm curious what your experience was there, and if it was as glamorous as it sounds.

Poy: I mean, I love, love, love, love, love, love my job at Estee Lauder. I love the job. I love the people and everyone in there. When I got laid off, I cried for like two weeks. I'm like, this is my dream job. It's hard to land a job you'll love and also the team were like support you 100%, so it was like really tough. But I mean, going back to that story, I think that's a good time to kind of see the transition from the UX and then doing paper flowers because that's have the connection with the big brands that I basically worked with.

So the gap between when I was graduating from NYU and then trying to find a job, it was like a year and a half gap. Then you know how that feels when you graduated, couldn't find a job or your friends around you got this like, ooh, got to work at IBM. I got to work at this place. I'm like, holy shit, what am I doing?

Diana: At this time, I'm gonna interrupt you for a second. The year and a half, are you worried about like a working visa? You're also trying to stay in America not just find a job and like sleep on your mom's couch while you're doing it. Like you're in a different country that's not your home, right?

Poy: Yep.

Diana: So that was probably an added pressure.

Poy: Yes, a lot, and then by that time as well, everything happens in one year that I was graduated and then my boyfriend at the time, we were together for like four years and then he's wanting to support me so he proposed, it's not let's propose for the visa but he was thinking about to propose the next year or something, but this is gonna help my process to be a little better. We married but we still haven't had a wedding yet because who cares?

Diana: Has not had a wedding, I love that.

Poy: Yeah, I have been thinking about it, and I'm like, alright, let's think about this later. But anyway, that's a whole another story. But yes, I was doing things by myself for about a year until this came into play. Then yes, I apply for a green card, but it doesn't take away the fact that I need to stand on my own, support myself and trying to find a job. Then with that time, so there's is like a project that's called A 100 Days of Making, which is a class at NYU that I was going to take.

I took the class and I withdraw, and I told all my best friends, like, you should take this class and it's so great. Then I'm like, I don't need to take the class to have people to tell me what to do for 100 days. I can do this for myself.

Diana: Rebel, I love it.

Poy: I’m like, yeah, bye bye. You take that class. Then my friend was like, what the fuck, but they were like, oh, this class changed my life and whatnot, but we're gonna get to that later.

Diana: Yeah, yeah.

Poy: So yeah, I have that time and I was so stressed out. I basically refreshing my email every five minutes if I get an offer, and I apply, apply, apply, talk to a lot of people and trying to get a job. One of my best friend, she was like, okay, Poy, you have all this time right now. Why don't you just do something that you always wanted to but never did. Maybe do 100 days of making.

I'm like, okay, but what do I do? I want to do a lot of things. I want to make projection mapping project, like so many. She's like, alright, Let’s focus. Choose something that is small enough that keep you going, but big enough that give the room for you to explore.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: So I started from like, I know that I love anything with paper, paper craft. I do like pop up books, or calligraphy and whatnot. This is like my free time that I'm like try to not look at the screen.

Diana: So I know that I love anything with paper, and I know that I love mashing the color together. Okay, let's do 100 days of paper craft. It was first papercraft, and then, I spent 8 to 6 to 10 hours a day to make one project. Then I did it for maybe five days, and I was talking to my friend like, wait, I want everything to be perfect in one day, the best materials, the best shape, take the best photo. She's like, no, no, no, no, no.

If you're gonna make this consistent, you just have to make a goal smaller, and then something that you can stick to it in your schedule. It doesn't really matter if it's two hours. The best is like half an hour because if you want to sustain this, make it smaller. So I'm like, okay, let's rearrange everything. Then, that's why on day 14, I think, I narrowed it down to paper flowers, because, for me, I'm not a flower person, because I don't kill plants. Also, I feel like what's the point to buy like a 50 bucks bouquet, and then it's gonna die the next day.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: That's just me. But, sometimes I'm like getting flowers, like, oh, that's pretty. Then I just feel bad that I have to throw it away in two days. So yeah, that's how the 100 days of paper flower started, and I'm like, okay, I'm just going to stick to this. I don't care what other people think and whatnot. I'm just gonna focus on this and now from refreshing my email five minutes, every five minutes.

Now, it turned to be the end of the day at five, or at night when I'm going to bed so I'm not that stressed out anymore. Still in the back of my head, I’m like, holy shit, I need to make money, I need to make money. Then after I finish 100 days, it just like a spark. I think it was like Day 80 or something. I have a friend who was like, oh, you're making people flowers. I have this girl who lives in Texas, but she's not gonna be home in five days.

Like, what about you make a paper flower for her so that it arrived at her place, and then it doesn't wilt? I'm like, oh, someone's gonna pay me for something that I do for fun.

Diana: Right.

Poy: Yeah, I'm like, oh, and he was like, oh, how much would you charge for like a bouquet of peony? I think like five peonies. So I spent two days trying to craft like a perfect peonies. Then like, okay, I think this is 47 bucks for you. That was like the biggest money ever. I got 47 bucks for this five peonies. I was so excited. That's like biggest money. I still remember that, because that's like the first paying job for something I do for fun.

Diana: That's really important.

Poy: Yeah.

Diana: Milestone. Yeah.

Poy: Oh, yeah, definitely. Then so you know, that's kind of the idea in my head that's like, ooh, so if someone wants to pay for this, and then also, if there's anything else I can do with this. So first thing first, I think I come back to what can I do today. I know I can make a website. I know that I can take them like okay photos from like my 2D camera. I don't care.

Then I know that I live in New York. So this is going back to your question about the brands because like now, oh, I have this payroll flowers fooling around my apartment stacking up, because in the shoebox, not much space. So what can I do with them? First thing, I can teach. So I'm starting to look at craft stores, and what's it called, like a workshop space in New York.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: Then another thing I can do is pop up. So I basically take my flower walk around New York, and then, where do I want to work with? What are these big shiny brands that I can just walk in and ask for the manager? I know that West End has pop up for the local artist walked in there, all the location, after manager, hey, I had this paper flower. Do you do pop ups? Where's your manager? Can I have your business card? Take the business card, come back, send them like a small deck. Hi, my name is Poy. This is my product. This is my availability and hope we can work together. Then, I walked into like Anthropologie, among so many places.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: A lot of nos, a lot of nos, and there's a lot of yes. So I think one thing that 100 days of paper flower has taught me, I dropped a lot of my professionalism, a lot, because you know me in the point where, Poy, you don't have to wait for everything to be perfect.

Diana: Yeah. Right now, just by the story, right?

Poy: Yeah, and I dropped that. Everyday, I was just like, okay, I test new flower, and then, I set my goal to like, okay, I'm just gonna make this flower with this color, and then tried it out. If it doesn't work, or it doesn't look great, you have tomorrow to change it. Who does say that like, oh, you're day 50 looks like shit, and then you have a day 51 to turn it around, or iterate of what the failure. I was grateful that I have a lot of failures, so you can learn from that.

Failures doesn't mean that you’re a failure. Yes, just like One Direction that didn't work so that you can go to another route.

Diana: I love that. Poy quote right there. If Day 50 looks like shit, you have day 51 to turn it around. It's a cool exercise. While you are going around to West End and Anthropologie and all these places, which, first of all, I just want to acknowledge because I think so many people, especially with the way Instagram portrays entrepreneurship, thinks that they just put their shit out there, and they post about it.

Opportunities are going to come to them. I've talked with, it was actually one of the ladies in my mastermind, a chef and we were talking about how to get back to the basics. How did you advertise before digital was a thing? You might have went around and literally stapled flyers to telephone poles, and I love that you had your boots on the ground, actually going and being like, Hi, I'm Poy, and this is what I do.

Can I talk to someone? Let's build a relationship. Actually, literally and metaphorically knocking on the doors and making shit happen, and that's so important. I think so many of us are not willing to do that anymore, and I'm just gonna manifest this and wave my magic spirit fingers and let it come to me. It's like, no, manifestation is also making shit happen. So I love that. So you're going around to West End and Anthropology, had you finished your 100 days by then?

Poy: Yeah, I have. Yeah, so I took photos and then have a website. It's like put 100 photos in there just to have something digital. One thing I know that like, yeah, you need to have a blog, or either a website is kind of show your process a little bit because that's what I do with my job. You need to have a portfolio and whatnot. So, surprisingly, the 100 days projects basically got myself into Estee Lauder, because I asked my team like, why did you hire me?

They were like, yeah, there's other talented UX designer out there, of course. I saw other people who has a better portfolio or better design eyes than I am, but they were interesting on this particular projects because I pick something and they're committed to it and like I have other what's it called dedication or inspiration in something else besides this path that I'm going with.

So they were very interested in that and they thought that that is a really good mix. They were really supportive that I work a full time and then sometimes if I have a class, so I also teach back then as well. Apart from doing pop ups, I teach at this place called Craft Jam, where they have craft classes down in Soho. So after the work 9 to 5, and hop down the train to Soho, and then teach the class, come back home, and then that was like, the best life that I had.

Diana: So okay, I have questions. So you just applied for Estee Lauder? Was it?

Poy: Yes.

Diana: It was just an application online, like into the abyss, and they found you. How did they know about your flowers?

Poy: Yes, so yes and no with that. So I have my NYU email alumni list, and then my boss basically went to the same school and she posts about the job. So yeah, I talk to her and apply. But I put the 100 days project into my portfolio as well. But I took it as a case study for branding discovery, like I said, this is my site, a personal project, and I was trying to develop it as a personal brand and see how that takes me.

Then this is a project that I've been doing, and then showcase my personal project, not just 100 days, but like a branding that I did for a friend or some case study and everyday lives. Yeah.

Diana: So with the pop ups, what was the first gig that you got? Tell me more about that. Do you remember?

Poy: I do. Yeah, yes, definitely. It was Weston and Chelsea. I think it was like 18th or 17th Street. But yeah, they always have three or four tables setups for local bakers, and then schedule you for, I think, 12 to 6. So for anyone out there, if you have a product, go to West End, ask for the manager, and then just ask if they have like a pop up, because they always support that, and they also do workshops.

Diana: That’s really cool. I bet 90% of the people listening, have no idea that that was an option. You went in there. They contacted you and said your flowers were worthy of this pop up.

Poy: Yeah, then basically, I had friends like come help me setting up. Then before that, I didn't know how to set up a booth or a display type thing. So I basically take like cardboard, putting on my bed, and then have some like levels and use boxes from Amazon and write it down to see how I display my stuff. Then I think that day, I didn't sell anything, but I learned a very valuable lesson.

I know for a fact that I have a notebook. I wasn't on my phone at all. I take notes of like, okay, 18th Street, Chelsea, what are the types of the customer that walked in?

Diana: I love this.

Poy: College students or families or a married couple with a kid. How old are they? What are they looking at? What are the price of that things? I take notes on every single person walking in, and like who are the people who come and ask about my flower, what the question that they ask, what are they feeling or thinking, taking in those questions. I think those pop up days were a very crucial day that I get all these questions, and then like come to develop my product.

Because sometimes you're like, oh thinking this is the best thing ever. I love this thing. Meanwhile, people are lik, eh, and then they're like one thing that you're like, I don't really like it that much, but that was the best seller. So you never know. So that's like one lesson that like, yeah, you're putting yourself out there, even though your goal is to like, I have to make money right away.

But then the value of you showing up, it's probably not money. Maybe it's a lesson. Maybe you learn something more about your business or marketing. Maybe you need a bigger sign. Maybe you need to adjust your display for a little bit. So that's what I remember, and then I always told other people if they doing pop ups, just take notes.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: Connect with everyone who walks in and ask. If they didn't ask, invite them. Have you seen this?

Diana: Yes, yeah. I'm the person that's not going to go just up to a table and talk to someone either. I have to be invited in some way. I think it's so important to think about when we have a product or service, there's like the Venn diagram and where it meets in the middle of what you like to do, and what people actually buy and what they need. It's like, that middle piece is so important. Like just you said, your favorite bouquet, you could make it all day long, but if people don't like it and want to buy it, that's not a business. That's a hobby, right?

Poy: Yeah. That's for sure.

Diana: Oh, I love that. So you're doing the pop ups. You now have a job Estee Lauder, engaged or married already.

Poy: I don't remember.

Diana: The least important part, I love that.

Poy: I don’t remember our anniversary.

Diana: I am your girl after my own heart. So where do we go from there? So you're doing pop ups, things start to gain traction. Was there a time when you besides the delivery in Texas that you started to kind of realize you could sell? Or like, I know, you've done some workshops with Paper Source. Where does that come in?

Poy: Yeah, so I think for a good amount of time, I think teaching because I only had the bandwidth to do only teaching, and then, work a full time job as well. Then I think I wasn't selling as much as I wanted to, but back then, my focus was working full time, and then I teach on the side to get some extra money and then see where it takes me.

I think the pivot point is when I got laid off because of the pandemic, and like I said, I was crying, like so many days and like, what am I gonna do, but also not just like the money part. It's about that I worked so hard to find this dream job. I found a perfect job, and that got taken away from me. It was really bad.

Diana: When did that?

Poy: May 2020.

Diana: They realized like, hey, this is,

Poy: Yeah, which is understandable. Sometimes I kept thinking to myself and like, but it's just UX is digital.

Diana: It shouldn’t matter.

Poy: It shouldn't matter. Is it just me or it's just the pandemic? I don't know. I self sabotage a lot that like, maybe I'm not a good fit to the team, like why, why me. But anyway, that is in the past, but also, with that, I guess, process, I thought to myself, like I actually felt relief in a way, because the side story is this that my fiancee husband at the time, now husband, whatever.

Diana: Whatever it was.

Poy: Whatever he is. He’s sitting right there. Man I live with. He is a pulmonologist, and he basically worked in a COVID unit in the Bronx. So, Ethics Center. Yeah, Ethics Center. So yeah, knowing that when the pandemic start, we didn't know. We didn't have vaccinated or what's going on back then, and he has to be the one intubating patients every single day without protection.

With that, I feel lucky that I get to be home to when he walks in, all the cloth are like out, and then, cleaning the whole apartment, had the food ready, and then constantly, like he constantly working. I'm happy that I get to support him with this, because we definitely had a conversation of like, okay, do I like go back to find a job or are you okay that I want to take a break for a little bit, and then we'll figure it out next.

Because back then before this, we already know that we're going to move out to Long Island because he got a job out here. So that was a kind of transition in a way that I lost the job, and then also like, I have to move up to New York and like, I didn't come from Thailand to like live in Long Island. It's like, are you kidding me?

Diana: Yeah, your whole identity was wrecked. Yeah.

Poy: Yeah. Like what? Like, no, at the same time. I know that he would be happier to like, his family's here. His dad is here, and then, get a high paying job up here. Then I test something out and whatnot, so I'm like, alright, what we'll try. We're not too far away. We're an hour train ride, so it's not that bad, same as I live in Queens. So, yeah, it's true. So yeah, that's a lot of things happening in the same time.

But also with that, I think, it kind of grounds me for a little bit of like, okay, now I know that I can take a break. I know that I have a certain support that I don't have to worry about money as much. So what about kind of switch to focus on summer space for a little bit and see where it takes me? Like, what do I want, but summer space, right? It's more than just teaching. I want to be able to sell it. I want to do like custom order or whatever.

Like maybe I'll just like do this at 100% summer space and then see where it takes me and that's how it started.

Diana: Yeah, amazing. So you dig into this. Your whole identity has been shifted. You're no longer truly a New Yorker. Let's be real. You got laid off from your job. You're now paying not care taker but support advocate person, lean on my shoulder, I'll make food. I'll wash your clothes to your end during a crazy ass time in the world that we're all just so many unknowns and a lot of isolation, obviously.

You just start making your flowers. What were the steps to move it forward? What was your plan and what worked and what didn't work?

Poy: So I think one thing that was a blessing in disguise is when I moved out here, I have a bigger room. I have two bedroom apartment when I was like in a shoebox like basically a fearful walk up on the Upper East Side, you know what that means. Now, I have a second bedroom that I can turn into my studio, and I have like a shitty camera. So this is like one quote that I say a lot to myself and other people too, to start where you are, use what you have, and do what you can.

I say this a lots to myself as well. It's like, so what do you have right now? I don't have like the perfect camera or skills or whatever, but I know that I can design. I know that I can make a website. I know that I can take okay photos. I know how to work around zoom. What does the world is telling you right now is online virtual, putting the workshop on a virtual and then, see how that takes me.

Of course, it takes a lot of energy, show up, teaching people, figured out the technology, like top down camera and blah blah blah blah, sending the kid blah, blah, blah. But every job that you're going to do, even though it's a job that you love, it is going to have something that you don't like. You're just gonna do it. You're just gonna do what you got to do, man.

Diana: So true. Can you say that quote, again?

Poy: You just got to do what you got to do.

Diana: The start what you have.

Poy: Yeah, start where you are, use what you have, and do what you can.

Diana: I love it. Again, that bootstrapping mentality, like I am here, as you know, to debunk the idea that we have to hustle our asses off especially in New York, you know how it is, but things can look aligned. They can feel aligned. You can be doing what you love, but that doesn't mean, like you said, there aren't going to be parts that you hate that you have to do anyway to make the whole system work.

Also, just that you have to actually have some boots on the ground work and get your hands dirty, and really be willing to put yourself out there and work long hours for a minute and really go for it. So start doing these workshops, when did you start your Instagram presence?

Poy: Basically, summer space started when I did the 100 days of making that's the other Instagram that I just post my flower every day.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: That's it. Like, that's how it started. So it was 2017 when I just post one thing at a time, and then just to keep myself accountability. That's it.

Diana: Yeah. So did you end up with a flower thing? Did you end up getting another UX job during all this? Like, how did that go?

Poy: So no, I didn't even apply. I was focus on like, let's just do this for 100% for maybe a year, because that's how I know that, okay, I have that support that I can do this for a year, and then figure out what to go next. Yeah, that's a lot of thing that doesn't work that I try putting social media marketing strategy. Sometimes when I show up on Zoom, and then the link was down and I have to do everything all manually, so that was a lot of that, and then like customer service and whatnot.

When you're like a solo entrepreneur, right, you just have to change your head every hour and every day, so that was a lot. Yeah. When I got like a corporate workshop where I host a workshop for, I think, 50 people, so I think, I was first like, oh, I need to take all this chunk of money, and then I pack all the kits myself. Then my husband was like, what about just cut some of the costs, and then hire someone to help you so that you don't have to pack the kit until five in the morning because I did that before.

Diana: Yeah. Can you explain packing the kit and what that like for the listeners?

Poy: Oh, yeah. So basically for the workshop, you would pick the flower that you want to make with me, and then I would ship you all the kits you need, basically, the paper, the wire, glue, the templates or whatever at your house so that when you show up on my workshop, you have all the materials to make the flower with me.

Diana: That's a lot of work.

Poy: That's a lot of work. Yes. I ended up hiring my friend to help me. The first time I did I'm like, I'm just gonna take all this money for me because I need to feed in my business and then like, no, no, no, no. But what's the cost of that? You have to like pulled an all nighter and then you feel like shit for two days. Like no, that's not how it should go.

Diana: So that was your first version of outsourcing which I am so here for. I basically outsource everything I might. What have you outsourced since then in your business? What are the things to let you be in your zone of genius a flower making?

Poy: So right now, I'm taking in video editor, and then also writer, because English is not my first language, and I'm still very conscious. That's that word, but, very uncomfortable when I write something and then posting a blog or something, and then, my grammar wasn’t right. I feel that the beauty of a language, I don't know what's it called, like the flow isn't where I want it to be, and then I try so hard and like, oh my god, your speaking is great.

But then when it's come to writing, it's the not the same. It’s different. So yeah, I started to take in like a friend who's also Thai. Her English is way better than me, and then she lives in England. So, she helped me kind of crafting a really nice flow of the blog and whatnot. So taking her in as a writer, and then have an editor and then for the workshop, because the right now, I'm working on on demand workshops so that I don't have to show up live every time.

But if people want to do like a one on one live with me, they can, and then they have an option to do like an on demand workshop. So these would be two things that I'm hiring right now.

Diana: Cool, I'm gonna throw you a little bit curveball question, changing the subject a little bit. You started doing paper flowers just out of craft and to do for 100 days, while you were finding a job. You now find meaning in that. What is your why? Is it just to create beautiful things? I don't put that lightly. Are you fulfilled by this process? What kind of keeps you lit up about it?

Poy: That's a really good question, because during the time when I was teaching the workshop, before the pandemic, of course, it was in person, and then, there were some people who I met through this workshop, and then we became friends until today. They kept coming back to my workshop. So one thing that lit up and during the pandemic, why I choose to focus on the workshop more than just making people flowers is that that's one person who I met right before the pandemic on February 2020.

I still remember that. She came to my workshop, and then she fell in love. She's an engineer who was like, my job is so stressful and whatnot. I get to meet a lot of people with a different range of age and occupation because New York. So during that, I was in my downtime. I was like, figure it out if I should, sell the flower or whatnot, but I talked to this person. I think this was like six months in the pandemic, she's like, do you know that your paper flowers saved my life?

Diana: Oh, my God.

Poy: If I haven't had this side project, it would have been worse. It would have been so bad. I kept hearing this after like a lot of workshops that I did. I did a feedback form after they come to my workshop, and they asked, what worked for them, and what the feedback they want to give it to me, blah, blah, blah. A lot of them were like, thank you for this. I need a time. I need a break. I need a time off. This is very therapeutic.

I found myself not to touch my phone for a long time with the news and all those things. I get to reconnect with my husband making the paper flower together, or I get to enjoy the show, while not being on my phone and being present. I think that's like self explanatory of why I do what I do.

Diana: Yeah, that's beautiful. Did you ever think you were making these paper crafts at the beginning, that this would be your life?

Poy: No, I'm still surprised. Back into advertising days, I'm like, oh, what’s it called, lucky that I had that job because I know how to talk the client. I know how to like handle like the project timeline and whatnot, like send an email where there's a next action that is not like a long thread. It'd be like next step, blah, blah, blah, boom, boom, boom, boom. With that job that I'm like, okay, this still taught me something.

Diana: Yeah, absolutely. Also just connecting the breadcrumbs, which is what this podcast is literally all about, right, just showing that winding path, normalizing that it's not just an overnight success situation. But even when you didn't have the job and I know so many people are out there listening right now in that void of just like, I don't know what's happening next. I'm putting myself out there. I'm not getting clients.

Whatever the case may be, they're frustrated. They're lost, and realizing like, look what happened because of that void, you filled it with something so fertile and amazing and epic, and it ended up being literally your life, and also changing other people's. But if you wouldn't have been a year and a half searching for something super frustrated, not knowing what's going to be next, but also you were open to opportunity, and just like, I don't know, I'll try this thing.

See how this goes. You didn't have birthed this amazing business that is impacting so many people. So cool.

Poy: Thank you. I think like to add to that. After I wanted to focus on the studio, I think the theme is also like to do something that scares you because I know that fear gets in the way all the time.

Diana: All the time.

Poy: Showing up today that I'm like talking to you right now, I wouldn't be able to do this a year or two years ago if I didn't join Emily's murals, networking, like six degrees society. That, like, prepped me a lot. I was like, why do I need to talk to new people all the time? Why do I need to introduce myself? How do I sell myself? I don't know. Why do I need to meet new people when I already have great friends?

Like, I don't need that. But then I'm like, you know what, let's just try something. Networking wasn't my thing until today. Yesterday, I met with Nora, which is your friend, and then the other day I met with Lara.

Diana: Amazing.

Poy: Yeah, and then I met you through Emily, as well. It was, yeah, something that you would be like skeptical about like, no, that's not me. But why not try it for a week or something and just test it out if it's not new, or it's just something that you haven't tried.

Diana: Yeah, absolutely. A huge shout out to Emily.

Poy: Yeah.

Diana: Because she's got to be on this podcast too. Just what she built is so incredible, and it's changing so many lives. She's a networking queen. But yeah, you just don't know unless you put yourself out there, and I love that. Do something today that scares you. It's early here. It's 9am, just waking up and I've got like caffeine shots just running through my veins from this conference.

Poy: I’m so glad.

Diana: So where now? What's happening currently with Summer Space Studio? Also, I want to talk about your big Instagram fame situation. Can we talk about that? You know exactly what I'm talking about, right? The Adobe. Can we talk about how we landed that and also, I think there's so many people out there listening who are reluctantly showing up, whether that's Instagram, Tiktok, in person, whatever the case may be.

I've had so many clients and connections like you who just stayed consistent, and eventually it paid off. I feel like that's what happened with Adobe. Can you give a little backstory to that?

Poy: Yeah, for sure. That's going to be a lot of shout out, because another thing for me as well, when I first started, I know how big it is for someone to support me when I'm nobody. So I constantly remind myself when there's like a success or there's achievement that I do, I don't forget these people who care in me and make it known to them. That one thing that you said, because for me when someone said that to me, and I'm like I feel great.

That made my day. Someone like, oh, I send this to my mom and she loved it and she cried. I'm taking that in, right? Anyway, so with that at the beginning of the year when social media, Instagram changing a lot of things and people are starting their own business a lot. So I give myself like a goal that less try to show up, follow the algorithm for a little bit, but not like too serious about it.

Then every year, I would have a goal that like, let’s tap into the area that I didn't know. So the first year was networking. The second year was PR, and that's how I met Meg through you, anything that you recommend.

Diana: Yeah, I love it.

Poy: So I've always been kind of scared and not sure if my brand is big enough, already enough, or good enough to be like doing PR. Then, of course, back in the days, I walked into West Elm, and my mom and whatnot, and got the partnership, but what if there's an outlet for that. There's a way that I connect or partnership with those brands without me actually walking into the store.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: Then Nick, kind of like, what's it called like debrief it for me, and then distill it down to like, this is why PR comes to play. At first, I was like, oh, I have to be all pretty, and go on a press conference and kind of thing. That's like PR in my head. I didn't understand until I did that. So I did a Vision to Voice program with Meg, I think, back in March. So I had all my assets, basically, when you pitch into videos, or the system where how do you research for videos or editor, or how do you pitch and whatnot in place.

Then I think for Adobe, they reached out to me, because they saw my reel, this weird reel that I didn't think that would be would do anything. I know that I want to make a content, but I'm too lazy to talk in front of the camera or like whatnot. I just like Mayflower, put the camera on one side, and then just time lapse it, whatever, put it out there. Then, they basically saw that, and then reached out to me.

Then with that, this is like going back because I was in Thailand at the time traveling and visiting my family. The fact that I have all the media assets and my bio, my photo, my pitch, and all the other work while traveling. I'm like one click, here's the link. This is the next step boom, boom, boom. They're like, set up the meeting and then okay. Yeah, that's why I told Meg as well, kept saying to her like, even though, this is not something that I particularly pitch myself to them, but the fact that I have everything ready, all the system and the mentality that this is what they need.

This is what you need to have, so be ready into that. So yeah, if I didn't take that class, I probably wouldn’t know what's the next step, or panic myself this gig.

Diana: So what was the gig just for the audience?

Poy: Yeah, so they wanted to celebrate a AAPI month, Asian Pacific. Ah, I can't say that right now. But yeah, you know what I mean, to showcase my art, and do a live demo on their Instagram channel, which is like half a million followers. So I do a 30 minute demo session, and then sent them the print out tutorial to the audience, and that was it. Then, they featured me for Women Wednesday, and then showing my work and whatnot.

Diana: What did that do for you? Did you have results from that?

Poy: Yes, I definitely got a followers. In the moment where I don't care about followers that much, I would be lying. If I saying like, oh, I don't care about at all, I see it but I like put it there that like, okay, great, but, let's focus on something else. I think that's kind of proven to me that this is a good result where all the things together where I practice whatever scared me and then doing it anyway.

Then yeah, it's not like you were saying that it's not going to result overnight, that I make the reel today that tomorrow I get famous. But it's just all those things all together. Yeah, and then it's just making me realize that like, oh, if this big brands pay this much, and there's so many other brands in the world who would like drop this chaching and then you're good.

Diana: Yeah, for a thorough demo online. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so awesome.

Poy: I'm like, okay, this is probably somewhere, the direction that I want to definitely do more and having Adobe on my website. Partnered with Adobe, it's like, oh.

Diana: As a graphic designer. Oh, yeah. I love it. Yeah. It works as an expander. Once you go, oh, my God, I could never charge $4,000 for a photoshoot for example and then, you find a company who will pay you that because they're a big company, or maybe not. Maybe they don't have to be a big company. You're like, wait, now I'm calibrated to 4k. What's up here? I want to see what's on the roof, like how far up you can go, so that's a really expanding thing. So where is Summer Space right now? What are you working on?

Poy: Yeah, so right now, I'm backtrack a little bit, because I think Virgo season. I feel that some branding elements, it needs to be refreshed a little bit. It's just that I'm a designer, and I'm like, I can't stand how my Instagram looks right now, even though no one actually come look at your Instagram if you just show up on your story, but that's just me. So, that was my conversation with Nora yesterday. I'm like, Poy, like, I think your work is beautiful and I think no one cares about how you feed looks like.

Diana: They don't. They just want to see. It’s true

Poy: Yeah, so that helped a lot that like, okay, let go of that professionalist a little bit more. Right now, my goal until the end of the year is to push out 10 workshop classes, on demand classes online. I now have two. I already recorded three, and that's the goal for the long run at the end of the year that I would have at least 10 workshops, and then, revisit my flow of work a little bit.

Because when I was in Denver, I realized that there's some disconnection and non automate tasks that I had. I think this is something that we've talked about a lot before as well that I haven't talked too much about my custom orders. I have a lot of projects that we're big fun, nice. I documented it, but I never actually talked about it. I talked about it, but not enough.

Diana: Right. Yeah.

Poy: Yeah. So I want to go back into like, document all of those things, and then talking about it in system because before this, I was like, oh, I already posted about this two weeks ago, but yesterday, I just talked about this. Is people gonna be bored if I talked about this project again? No.

Diana: No, good god!There’s actual science behind that. They're not going to be bored because we have to see it like seven to nine times for it register that it's a thing. Yeah.

Poy: I always forget about that. Because I think the other day, I was posting about this a bridesmaid proposal where I make the small little flower and then make a big bouquet compiling all these small flowers of the bridesmaid to the bride.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: Right? Then that was two or three years ago, and people love that project. I'm like, why am I never actually talked about this with people?

Diana: Yeah, what can you go back on and repurpose and bring to the surface again.

Poy: Exactly.

Diana: Instead of reinventing the wheel.

Poy: Which also another shout out to Jamie Ratermann.

Diana: Yes, Jamie. I just got a phone with her before this podcast.

Poy: Yeah. If you are, I'm not saying stuck, but like overwhelmed with the content of how to work smarter. I definitely recommend go to sprints with Jamie. I did that, I think, twice already. Her formula works really well when you're just like, okay, now you're in the zone to kind of flush out next three months of content, and you don't have to worry about it anymore.

Diana: Yeah, we will drop Emily, and Jamie all on the shownotes. They’re part of our circles, and they're all amazing.

Poy: Yeah.

Diana: Yeah. So you're focusing on these workshops. You want to start talking about customer orders and things like that, and just going with the business.

Poy: Yeah.

Diana: Amazing. Love it. Well, Poy, I'm a huge fan. I love your work. It's still amazes me. My mom has one of your bouquets. I'm going to see her right after this. Art is amazing to me, because I grew up doing art, even though I did more of the digital graphic design, photography stuff, but also just how you've built what you've built. You've just really followed kind of your gut and follow the breadcrumbs and also took action, and you weren't afraid to be told no.

You just kept knocking on the doors and doing the thing and getting better at your craft and showing up. You're really this holistic one woman show but you're also outsourcing and doing those types of things to have. So I have some fire round questions for you. Are you ready for those?

Poy: Yes, bring it to me.

Diana: So I know you're not as into the astrology stuff, but tell us what you know about your astrology. We'll see if people kind of guessed correctly based on your story.

Poy: I don't know much, but I know that I'm a Virgo, and that's it because my best friend, she's super into this woo woo stuff. She's like, oh, because you're like this right, I don't remember, what is my rising, Libra maybe. Okay. I'm not sure. Yeah, but I know that I'm a Virgo, and that's why I need everything to be perfect. I have my planner, journal color coding. My calendar are all organize. When things are disorganized, I lose my shit.

Diana: I mean, to have like paper pedals everywhere, you need to be organized.

Poy: Oh, yeah.

Diana: What does creativity mean to you?

Poy: Hmm. I love this question a lot, like I kept thinking, but I think, it's so simple for me is I create an activity. I'm not sure that's how like English works. But it's when you allow yourself to play and like play around with ideas that comes to mind, play around with colors, patterns, forms, shapes, or create a version of something with what you're feeling in the moment. I think I got this inspiration.

A lot of you are Disney fans, you'll love Encanto. Yes, I have the same playlist as a three year old. I watch Encanto on repeat. That song, What Else Can I Do, sometimes when I feel stuck, I just play that song, and I'm like, yeah, what else can I do? Just play around with it, and then kind of see what comes out of it.

Diana: Not self edit is what I'm hearing. Just allow yourself to be messy and wrong and to fail. You talked about your failures and how important those were just as much more than your successes, and just allow yourself to not self edit and just say it. I love that. Yeah. Do you have an entrepreneurial crush? Like someone you look up to that you really admire.

Poy: I mean, I have so many I dropped their names already, but the name that pops into my head right now is Diana Aaron. She's a watercolor artist and she's a founder of Chasing Linen. So if you're in like a creative world, you've probably heard of her. So I've been following her for a long time but we only get to connect through Oh Joy's Joy's Academy Zoom meeting whatever.

So I really admire her because she basically just launched her own brand. So now, she's in linen running on itself, and she's launched her own brand called Diana Aaron because she can do something that she's always wanted to do. I really like her creativity and also transparency. She shared a lot of, yeah, personal stuff but I think she's really smart and balancing it really well.

Diana: I love that. I'm gonna look her up. I love following makers on Instagram specifically.

Poy: Of course, Jules Acree. I think Nick introduce her to me and then, I think I know that you know Tia.

Diana: Yeah.

Poy: That's like, oh.

Diana: Yeah, I think, actually Tia’s podcast might be coming out today, literally today. Tia of Freelancing Females. So yeah, she became best friends with Jules and I've been in programs with her and we've also met but she's incredible. She got such a slow-living, I love matcha and she’s like, matcha queen.

Poy: Yeah, big matcha person. I use her notion template and I'm like, I’m obsessed with Notion.

Diana: Virgo self love. I can see right through it. I love it. Okay.

Poy: I have a time, sorry, I have a time block in the morning, 9am Notion block.

Diana: I love it and you're like excited for it. I know you are. You're like, here we go. We get to organize! Oh my god. Okay, so what are you reading or listening to right now?

Poy: So right now, I'm rereading the Brand's Story. Emily gave me as like a assignment when I did a coaching session with her. It’s really good book even though, yeah, I'm a brand designer. I did all the graphic design, but it's nice to kind of like stepped out of what you know, and relearning it again, as I'm kind of auditing and cleaning up my branding a little bit.

Diana: I love that. Cool. That's a good one. So if money, time, resources, rent, food, didn't matter, what would you create just to create?

Poy: That's one idea that has been stick in my head so many times. One ultimate goal, I wanted to have my work on a window display somewhere in New York City like 5th Avenue like all those big brands, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, whatever. To have my work display there, that's my ultimate goal, putting it out there.

Diana: I have no doubt, no doubt and, sounds like it might need some Poy boots to the ground, asking for a manager situation. So now you've got Adobe under your belt, I think, it'd be pretty easy to convince them.

Poy: Yeah.

Diana: You have your beautiful work there. I can totally see it. So I'm holding that vision for you. I love it.

Poy: Thank you. Yeah. So I wanted to like make a bigger version of the flower, because again, going back to creativity, that the same friend who told me to do 100 Day project, she also asked me, what can the paper flower do that the fresh flower can't. The color can go crazy color. Size could go big, small, whatever the size you want to create, and the shape who says that this has to be round and look like this.

It can go crazy. So that's like the area that I want to explore, and then putting myself into the work a little more.

Diana: I really love that question of just like, what can a paper flower do that a fresh flower can't and that's such a cool question to adapt into our own businesses, whatever they are. Just go crazy. The sky is the limit. Our big thing is we don't need a blueprint, right? We get to be creative entrepreneurs and be creative about our entrepreneurship and our craft and our services and our offerings.

So oh, I love that that gets my wheels turning. So fun. See, I mean if you make a massive rainbow situation flower, I'm here for it, so just putting my vote in.

Poy: Yeah, there we go.

Diana: So Poy, I love your story. Thank you so much for sharing with me.

Poy: Thank you for having me.

Diana: And from the audience. How do we connect with you? What do you have coming up that we could like participate in?

Poy: So of course, Instagram @summerspacestudio, the website is Right now, I am not only doing the on demand workshop, which is for individual, but also for corporate. Not just corporate, but if you have your own community, if you want to meet a host like holiday activities–my coffee is running out–but yeah, contact me. We can do some sort of partnerships. I can definitely.

Sometimes when people reach out to me, they're like, oh, you're Thai, and then, can I make some Thai flowers with the audience because with interior designers and whatnot, so throwing the idea out. Since I am the CEO of the company, I can definitely be flexible and be creative in creating some unique activities with you.

Diana: Yeah, I think one of your big pillars that I see is collaboration, which is so cool.

Poy: Which I love doing that. Yeah.

Diana: Beautiful. Well, Poy, I hope to actually finally see you in the flesh in New York City in October. Thank you for being here.

Poy: Thank you for having me.

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