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S2 E12 Intuition: How to Hear it, Feel it, and Trust it with Caitie Corradino

You're a (current or aspiring) creative entrepreneur — so you know what it's like to wear all of the different hats it requires to run your business. You started your journey with a dream and a mission, but let's be real: how often have you had to shelve that dream for a responsibility you thought you had to fulfill? How often have you gone against your gut because fear got in the way?

How attuned are you to your intuition? How often do you listen and let intuitive decision-making guide you?

Listening to your intuition and making changes based on those intuitive hits is hard. In this episode, Caitie Corradino joins us to share insights on taking the plunge and living a fulfilled life by applying your intuition. She shares practical ways to listen to your intuition and use the RISK framework to assess risks and make changes.

It's time to trust yourself and start using intuitive decision-making. Get inspired by listening to this episode!

👂 Here are three reasons why you should listen to this episode:

  1. Why we deny ourselves what we really desire.

  2. Understand how the RISK framework supports intuitive decision-making.

  3. Intuition as the perfect balance of emotions, instincts, and knowledge about yourself.

📘 Resources

🎧 Episode Highlights

[09:51] Diana and Caitie’s Connection

  • Diana met Caitie in New York City through a networking group. Caitie has joined Diana’s retreats as the wellness facilitator, while Diana has joined Caitie’s workshop classes.

  • The experience of going through a breakup at the same time strengthened their bond.

[14:13] (Re)Introducing Caitie!

  • Caitie is enthusiastic, adventurous, and an extrovert.

  • She is a registered dietitian, nutritionist, yoga teacher, breathwork facilitator, Reiki healer, and body image coach.

  • She founded Full Soul Nutrition, where she provides one-on-one holistic nutrition counseling and body image coaching.

  • Caitie believes it takes different approaches and modalities to heal from disordered eating and body image issues. There’s no one way to heal.

[16:00] Struggles with Identity

  • Caitie was trained traditionally as a dietitian and used to feel embarrassed about her view of holistic health.

  • She used to think her yoga and dietetic practices had to be separate.

  • Listen to the full episode for a story of how Caitie’s had a client at both her studio and the treatment center!

  • The client helped Caitie realize the power of using all her expertise to help others heal.

  • Diana played a big part in helping Caitie stay true to herself and continue the momentum of her holistic work.

[22:48] Why We Make Wrong Choices

[23:13] Caitie: “As human beings, we're hardwired to want to feel safe and regulated in our nervous systems and have some sort of sense of reassurance. And we're also hardwired to want to belong with people, to belong with communities, to be accepted by people and to make sense to other people. And I think that those were the two reasons…why I couldn't bring myself to be who I really was…I just wanted to feel safe…I wanted everyone to like me.”
  • We often deny ourselves what we want because we want to feel safe and belong to a community.

  • Caitie didn't want people to think of her as a wellness influencer lacking education in nutrition.

  • Caitie provides her clients the safety and community to take risks they otherwise wouldn't have.

  • It's also important to find, set, and enforce your boundaries.

[25:09] How to Find Confidence

  • Caitie’s clients often face the risk of stopping behavior and actions that will alienate them from their current community and the culture at large.

  • Caitie begins by looking for ways for her clients to feel comfortable and confident amidst risks.

  • You can start by validating and acknowledging that change is a risk.

  • Next, identify your values and understand how the risk aligns with what's important to you.

[27:13] RISK Framework

  • Caitie also uses the acronym RISK to help clients overcome challenges. RISK stands for rest, intention, senses, and kindness.

  • Check whether you’re giving yourself enough rest to take on the risk.

  • Ask yourself: What are your intentions? How do they align with your values?

  • Practice grounding your senses through simple actions like stretching, lighting candles, and playing music.

  • Finally, reflect on how your risk will become kindness to other people in the world.

[30:28] What is Intuition and Intuitive Decision-Making

  • Intuition is a mix of your emotions, instincts, and knowledge about yourself. Eating and exercise are the tangible ways you can apply and practice intuition.

  • Emotions are all about being willing to feel what is happening.

  • Instincts are cues from your body, like fullness cues, cravings, and gut feelings.

  • Knowledge about yourself includes your values, hobbies, and what makes you happy.

  • Many think intuition is gut instinct, but this is only partially true. Intuition is the perfect balance of emotions, instincts, and self-knowledge.

[31:36] Caitie: "Emotions are data, not directives. And if you're willing to feel your emotions, you can eliminate emotional clutter and prevent it from inevitably getting the best of you."

[37:47] Discerning What Needs to Be Done

  • We all face decisions where things can become difficult, but we might be uncertain whether it’s something we need to keep pushing through.

  • For example, intuitive eating isn’t eating whatever we want. It’s listening to our bodies and knowing what’s healthy for us.

  • When making decisions, don't forget about practical and personal knowledge.

  • Know your intention when you’re challenging yourself.

  • If you cannot be flexible, it’s a sign you’re pushing yourself for the wrong reasons.

[42:12] Intuitive Decision-Making Versus Insecurity

  • The more you use your intuition, the easier and stronger it gets.

  • Caitie has observed many business and entrepreneurial coaches disregard intuition. Many people prioritize tasks over eating, even if eating fuels our energy.

  • In the full episode, Caitie shares the feeling of being judged about her work transition and moving away from her home city.

  • She broke through her insecurities because of her clients and community.

  • Caitie recommends everyone return to the RISK framework when trying to overcome fears of judgment.

[54:41] Caitie: “The kindest person is the one who is is willing to be judged…the kindest person is someone who's willing to say, I'm going to take A-B-C action in like for the benefit of A-B-C person at the risk of that someone might not approve of it, and that gets to be okay, because this isn't about me. This isn't about everyone liking me and this isn't about being the most popular girl at school and this isn't about having the most followers. This is about helping people.”

[56:29] Caitie’s Daily Practice and Journaling Ideas

  • Caitie recommends slowing down your morning routine and being more intentional with your actions.

  • She also recommends journaling or writing a to-do list and thinking about your intention for the day.

  • Finally, she recommends eating breakfast.

  • Release perfectionism when you’re journaling. It’s just about separating your thoughts and writing them down. You can also try spiritual journaling.

  • Write down thoughts you keep thinking about. Remember, you don’t need to write beautiful prose.

[1:03:28] Lightning Round with Caitie

  • Caitie is a Scorpio Sun, Taurus Moon, and Leo Rising. Her other planets are all in Scorpio.

  • For Caitie, creativity is making magic out of her mess.

  • She looks up to Jo Franco for her work with journaling.

  • Caitie is currently reading Everything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton. She likes mantra music and singing affirmations.

  • If money, time, and resources didn't matter, Caitie would write her memoir and lead retreats.

👩 About the Guest

Caitie is a Registered Dietitian-Nutritionist, Yoga Instructor, Breathwork Facilitator, Body Image expert, and the creator of Full Soul Nutrition, where she combines nutrition counseling with a powerful toolkit of somatic healing modalities. Her comprehensive approach helps high-achieving, creative women heal from eating disorders, body dysmorphia, GI issues and more. Caitie's mind-body-soul approach is unique in her field, and she's used her one-of-kind framework to successfully serve hundreds of women in 1:1 and group settings.

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Diana Davis: Why do you think we make these choices that we know, aren't it?

Caitie Corradino: I mean, for every person, I think it's so different. But at the end of the day, I think it comes down to wanting to feel safe and wanting to feel a sense of belonging.

Diana: Welcome to Pollen, the ultimate podcast for creative entrepreneurs. My mission: to empower you to make more money doing what you love, work with dream clients, and turn your creative gifts into a thriving business without the burnout. I'm your host, Diana Davis. Business coach, Gemini manifesting generator, matcha snob, and full-time nomad.

Here's the deal. I went from creating a six-figure photography business to helping amazing creative souls like you build your own empires. So I've been there. I get it.

Whether you're an artist, designer, writer, yogi, or anything in between, this podcast is your treasure trove of inspiration. So grab your favorite notebook, maybe a matcha, and let's embark on this incredible adventure together.

Hey Pollen, we have an epic guest for you today. Caitie Corradino, who is not only a friend, a client, but also a collaborator. She was the wellness facilitator on the Greece retreat. And anyone who went to the Greece retreat can tell you it was such an incredible experience. A huge part of it was because of Caitie being there.

So she's got a lot of cred behind her name. She is one of those people who just really gets after the whole credential thing. She is a registered dietician-nutritionist. She's a yoga instructor. She is a breathwork facilitator. She is a body image expert and the creator of her company Full Soul Nutrition, where she combines nutrition counseling with a powerful toolkit of somatic healing modalities. So she combines it all and you'll hear all about that in the episode.

It's a lot about tuning into your intuition. So if this is something that you want to know about, which it should be, you have to listen to this episode. There's so many tactical things within this that you can take away today to tune in more to your intuition as an entrepreneur, know how to make those next steps, know when something is wrong or right, and move forward and therefore grow. Enjoy this episode.

Before we get into this epic episode, I want to remind you and let you know, if you don't already, that the doors are open to both of my signature programs, Camp Clarity and Ascend. Let me tell you about each one because they are two different programs for two different types of entrepreneurs.

So, all of the above, you are a creative entrepreneur, which just means you have a heart-centered business, a heart-centered gift that you are putting out into the world. Which the backlash of that tends to mean we have a really hard time receiving money. We have a really hard time pricing ourselves. We have a really hard time showing up confidently on Instagram without feeling like a schmuck, without feeling like we're sales-y, without feeling like the world revolves around us. We're here to put out our gift. It is our heart and soul. Whether you're a watercolor artist, a yogi, a consultant, a coach, this is a hard thing or can be, which can be resolved.

So if you are in the beginning stages of your business, and/or are really needing to just revamp things. Like you are sitting here going, ‘I feel burnt out. I don't feel lit up by my business anymore. Or I don't even know where to start. I have this side hustle. I have tried baking bread, and I don't even know where to go from here, right? I don't have a social presence. I don't really post a lot.’ Or like I said, you're revamping or you're pivoting where you're just like damn, I need to look under the hood. I need to look at the foundations of my business and revisit who I'm talking to, why the heck I'm doing this in the first place. A refreshed social strategy, new pricing, new packages, all of that. Then Camp Clarity is your jam.

It's a 90-day group course. A beautiful, amazing community of diverse creatives, who are in all sorts of industries. Like I said everything from ceramics to Reiki healers that are also building their businesses. Finding that community is so important. Doing this entrepreneurial journey alone is just not it. I can tell you from experience, it's not it. So this is a 90-day group course, where we have two live Zoom calls a week. And you can know more about the details in the link in the bio, but we start in a week.

And the three pillars of Camp Clarity are confidence, cash, and clients. And if that already doesn't tell you, ‘fuck yeah, I need to be in this program,’ I don't know what does. Please DM me with any questions. I'm happy to jump on a call. But everything is on that landing page, tons of FAQs at the bottom. But if you are ready to kickstart your business, or revamp your business, Camp Clarity is the accelerator for you.

Ascend, let's go there. This is for a higher-level entrepreneur. And not that they're better than anyone in Camp Clarity. But it's someone who's a little bit further along on their journey and already has clarity in what they do, why they do it, who they talk to, who their clients are, and they already have revenue coming in but they're ready to expand. They're ready to start that podcast. They're ready to launch something new. They're ready to make even more money and impact. Have even more energy.

This is for the person who wants to grow and scale, who maybe wants to hire a team, who isn't sure if they should hire a team yet or what that even looks like. But you've hit a barrier where it's like, ‘okay, I figured this out, it's working. How do I move up from here?’

Ascend is a mastermind, which means it is not a course. However, you do get access to Camp Clarity and my entire vault of resources and calls. It is not a course, it is a mastermind. That means you get in the room with people who are also experts in their field. So if you're a graphic designer coming into ascend, you might be in a room with copywriters. You might be in a room with branding experts. You might be in a room with photographers or creativity coaches. And you are going to learn so much from them as you also learn from me and I guide you on this journey. Think of me as the person that's putting the trip together. And you all are going on this mountaineering adventure with me. And you all have different skill sets. And I'm the leader, but I will facilitate this group in a way that you get so much out of it from every single person.

What's really beautiful about Ascend, and one of the big reasons why I created it, is I have one one-on-one calls attached in this. So not only is it a group mastermind, but you get one one-on-one coaching with me as well. So if you're ready to really scale from here, you're ready to stop playing small, you're ready to expand and feel just lit up by your business to make more money to, make more impact, to grow your team, to grow your entity, Ascend is your place.

And remember, if you know me at all, I am a coach who blends strategy and mindset and the inner work. I am not just a blueprint coach. I'm not here to tell you how to do it and this is the only way. I'm also not fluffy, I'm going to tell you what's up. I'm gonna give you some tough love. And I think that is the recipe. I know it's the recipe for success because it's also my recipe for success. The inner work is so important. So don't get me wrong when I say this will be very strategic. It will also be a lot of inner work and mindset. The doors are open, we start next week. So get in there. If it's calling to you, apply. Get your application in and we'll talk.

Hi Pollen! We have an epic guest for you today, Caitie Corradino. And we have a whole history together. But she's coming at you from Lisbon, which I'm sure we'll talk about because we are both fellow nomads and entrepreneurs and we've just had quite the winding path together. So Caitie, hello!

Caitie: Hi!

Diana: Welcome, welcome to Pollen.

Caitie: Thanks! It feels very official to be in this little online studio with you.

Diana: I know. So for those out there listening, we're using Riverside now, if anyone wants to use that resource. It's kind of a cool podcasting platform and this is the first time we're using it with a guest! So super exciting. Thanks for being my guinea pig.

I want to tell just a little bit about our history, and then we're gonna dig in. I love the winding path, and we talk about the winding path a lot on Pollen, right? Where people go through divorces and bankruptcies, and all of these things before they actually get to the thing. But we have our own winding path, as friends, as each other's clients, all of the above. So I just want to talk about that for a second.

So Caitie and I actually met in New York City. She is like an OG New Yorker, New Jersey girl. She says coffee, which is my favorite part of her. If she ever stops drinking coffee, I'll be very upset because I get a lot out of that every time never happening. Never happening. I thought that to you, I’m just saying. She's really Italian, she will never not drink coffee.

So we actually met through a networking group, which I want to just tell because it is so important to go to those kind of networking groups and meet new people. Then she actually did a photoshoot with me back in like 2019. And I've been to her workout classes, etc. She joined Ascend. She was my wellness facilitator on the Greece retreat. She was also in the Colorado retreat. We traveled for three weeks, which I'm sure we'll talk about, after the retreat together at the Greek islands kind of unexpectedly.

And now because we both went through a breakup, which I'm actually on her podcast and going to be on her podcast, again. We went through a breakup kind of at the same time and that really solidified our like actual friendship. Not just this kind of client relationship, acquaintance situation, or I was her coach, or she was my workout instructor. It was like this true connection.

So now we're inseparable. And we are planning to go to Amsterdam together so maybe by the time you're listening to this, we're in Amsterdam, who knows? We feel like something is for us there. We're not sure. But Caitie, I want you to just introduce yourself as well. And tell us who you are, what you do, what you're all about, and why you do it.

Caitie: Yeah. I mean, I also I just want to retweet on the winding path of our friendship first because I think it's so beautiful to think about how I've met the most important people in my life, and you being one of them. And none of them were like a straightforward path for the exception of like, my best friend that I met, like in elementary school. We met at this networking event, it was super random. You were the photographer there. And I was like, ‘Oh, who is this girl? She's kind of cool.’

And then you came to my booty yoga class a few weeks later. I don't know if you remember that. And I was like, ‘Oh!’. And you just like approached me so well with such a welcoming, amazing let's connect kind of energy. And I was like, ‘Oh, she must be from New York. Like she feels like she knows what she's doing here.’ Like, I just assumed you were from New York. And then I booked you with my photographer a few weeks after that. And then a few months after that, I learned that you were from Colorado, like I had no idea. And then we kind of just stayed in touch professionally and like random little networking events and things.

And then yeah, I was in Colorado when I started my nomad life fresh out of a breakup. We met at Bar Taco, and you're like, I think I'm about to go through a breakup. And I was like, oh, let's go to Costa Rica together in six months. We didn't plan it then. But it's just it's so cool how that story unfolded and I love it. And I'm so grateful that I've been able to be part of your community through Camp Clarity, through Ascend, and then leading the wellness activities on your retreat. What a friggin amazing journey. That’s who I am to Diana.

Diana: The version that I know, yeah. Community has been such a buzzword, for me in DDC lately so stay tuned on that. But yeah, the community has been epic, and I'm so glad you're a part of it. So who are you?

Caitie: Yeah. So who am I? As a person, I am a very, very energetic human being. Very enthusiastic about so many things and life and just constantly diving into new adventures, situations. Drinking coffee, love connecting with people, love making friends, extroverted extrovert, that's kind of who I am as person.

And as a business owner, I'm a registered dietician-nutritionist, as well as a yoga teacher, personal trainer, breathwork facilitator, Reiki healer, intuitive eating counselor and body image coach. And I created a practice called Full Soul Nutrition where I provide one-on-one holistic nutrition counseling and body image coaching for mostly young professionals and, I would say, kind of like high-achieving professional women who are really struggling to recover from disordered eating, yo-yo dieting, body dysmorphia, GI issues, and things like that.

And I kind of tout my credentials and things like that off the top because I just love combining a bunch of different modalities to help people heal. I really don't think that there's a one size fits all way to heal, from disordered eating, from body image issues from GI stuff. Everybody needs their own kind of magic mix of things. And so I'm really grateful to be able to provide a mix of concrete nutrition counseling, as well as breath work, facilitating coaching, and energy healing, and self-confidence, and body image work to help people fully fully heal.

Diana: Yeah, yeah, it's so powerful. And you've come such a long way in embracing this holistic view, right? Like you came from this clinical world and I know so much about your story because I've coached you through it even. This clinical world that has so much red tape, to really just opening up even in the last year and kind of owning what you knew your intuition was telling you to do, right? Which I want to talk about a lot today.

Intuition is a huge thing in entrepreneurship. And you really lead people through that. So I'm curious. What was happening when you were in this clinical-style nutritionist counseling situation? And you were getting these intuitive hits, to go bigger, to put yourself out there, to be unapologetic, and unfiltered, but you were kind of denying it for so long. What was that like?

Caitie: Yeah, yeah, it's such a big question and I appreciate that you opened with that because that is such a big part of my story as an entrepreneur, and as a person, and as someone who helps clients now is that I really have embraced that.

I use a holistic toolkit and I used to be so embarrassed by my holistic toolkit because I was trained to be a clinical eating disorder dietitian. I was trained very, traditionally, in the most traditional sense that you could possibly think of. I went to school, undergrad, and grad school for nutrition. I trained under people who have been in the field of eating disorder treatment for 20 years and had one way of doing things that they really strongly believed in that wasn't necessarily wrong. It just wasn't resonating with me. And it wasn't allowing me to serve people in what I knew was going to be the best way possible.

I think that I had always known from when I first entered the nutrition field that I was never going to be just a dietitian because I was also a group fitness instructor from the time I was 18, a dancer from the time I was a little kid and I never wanted to lose that aspect of myself. But I was always convinced that it was going to have to be separate. I was like, I'm gonna have to be a yoga teacher and a dance teacher at like a studio. And then I go to the hospital, or the eating disorder treatment center, or wherever it is I'm working at, and I'm the dietician there. And it has to be separate and people can't know about this.

And in fact, when I was working at an eating disorder treatment center, I felt like I was moonlighting as a fitness instructor. Like I wasn't allowed to tell anybody. And it was just like, so honestly, weird. And you know, one day, a client from the treatment center came to my class accidentally and it was just like this weird thing of like, ‘Oh, my God, like, do I speak? Like, what do I do?’ And she came up to me immediately. It wasn't even like, my, I was freaking out internally. I was like, ‘Oh my gosh, like, I can't believe this. I'm going to do an intuitive eating workshop with this client tonight at 6pm but then I'm also going to now teach her how to lift weights?’ Like oh, like, I can't, what am I supposed to do? And she immediately came up to me and was like, ‘This is so cool.! I’m so happy you're here!’

Like what? She's like, ‘I love the studio. I feel like it's so positive. I never feel a body shamed when I'm here. I always feel like I'm able to just focus on the mental and emotional stress relief aspects of working out. And that was such a big turning point for me. Like such a big turning point where I realized that, oh, I don't have to keep these aspects of myself so compartmentalized and in fact, if I am willing to blend them, I'm going to help exactly who needs me to heal fully.

And yeah, it was such a big part of my own healing as well. Like, being willing to not only go see when I was recovering from an eating disorder, side story. Like, I didn't heal just from clinical nutrition counseling. I was able to learn how to eat again and maybe he'll some like digestive stuff through clinical nutrition counseling and through getting a meal plan. But it was ultimately breath work and movement and embodiment practices and traveling and learning to be myself that also really solidified like full eating disorder recovery for me.

So I'm like, okay, I've got this client here who's like jumping up and down, genuinely so excited that I'm her fitness instructor and her nutritionist. And I know that this is something that helped me heal, I need to get the guts to just be myself. And you were such a big part of helping me step into a new, holistic framework.

Diana: I mean, when someone says they think they want to quit their job, like you did, I remember. And you're like, ‘I think I'm gonna do it by March.’ And I was like, why? Why would you wait, let's fucking go! Someone tells me they want to quit their job or text the boy or whatever you can bet I'm going to be your pusher.

Caitie: Yes, I think that that is such, I mean, we tell the little meet cute of how we met but like who you are in my life is the person that's pushed me off the cliff in the moment when I needed it and also the person who has caught me and said, ‘What the fuck are you doing?’ when I was about to abandon myself, like quite a few times. And I think that's what I was doing when I was working in clinical dietetics and then moonlighting as a fitness instructor and yoga teacher. I was abandoning myself because I was denying certain aspects of who I was in one setting and in the other setting.

And it's so weird because in 2020, I lost all my jobs. I was laid off of every single one of my jobs because I was a contractor at all of them. And they were like, we're getting rid of contractors. And I had to start my own business, and I was doing it successfully, and I was getting momentum. And then I was like, oh, you know what, I want health insurance. I'm going to pick up a part-time job with clinical dietetics again.

So then I did that and as soon as I did that, I realized it was the wrong choice. Because now I was trying to run my own business, and then work this part-time clinical job, and I was exhausted, and they're giving me way too many clients. And that's when I saw you again, and you were like, ‘What are you doing? You had like so much momentum, and you just like cut yourself off for shitty health insurance that isn't even that great?’ And so then, ever since I left that position in late 2020, or not really, 2021, I've been full-time.

Diana: Why do you think we do that? Why do you think we abandon ourselves? Why do you think we make these choices that we know, aren't it?

Caitie: I mean, for every person, I think it's so different. But at the end of the day, I think it comes down to wanting to feel safe and wanting to feel a sense of belonging. As human beings, we're hardwired to want to feel safe and regulated in our nervous systems and have some sort of sense of reassurance. And we're also hardwired to want to belong with people, to belong with communities, to be accepted by people, and to make sense to other people.

And I think that those were the two reasons in like, when you get to the essence of it, why I couldn't bring myself to be who I really was for a while. I just wanted to feel safe and like I wasn't doing something superduper risky. I wanted to have financial security or whatever it was, even though it's totally false, like all of that. And then I also just wanted to be, I wanted everyone to like me. And I also didn't want any of the mentors that I worked with when I was doing more traditional clinical dietetics to be disappointed in me. I didn't want to be seen as one of those holistic nutrition wellness influencers who didn't actually have education and nutrition. And I just was afraid of judgment from other people.

So I think belonging and a desire to just feel safe are two big things that prevent us from being our fully expressed selves. And so we have to find ways to, one, feel safe and regulated within our systems while we're taking the risk because it's totally possible. And I really feel like that's one of my biggest roles as a provider is helping people feel comfortable and safe amidst risk.

Because like risky actions are the only thing that ever makes us feel confident so we've got to find a way to feel a little safer while we do it.

And then with belonging, it's finding your people. And deciding what you value and kind of coming back to community, right? Finding the right connections and setting boundaries with the people who are unhealthy.

Diana: I want to go back to that. Like can we retweet this for a second? The only way to feel confident is to take risky action. Like, whoa. And how do we do that? How do we, what are ways that you make that happen? Or guide people through that?

Caitie: Yeah so with my clients who are recovering from disordered eating, or who are trying to break away from the pursuit of a thinner body, which is so many women, right? Most women. They're taking a risk by letting go of their eating disorder, or they're taking a risk by not pursuing fitness anymore. Because they're risking being rejected by people who are going to judge their body size, they're risking not fitting in, in this ever-dieting world that we live in. And so that in of itself is a risky action that I guide a lot of clients through.

And so the question at the top of my work with a lot of my clients is, how can we feel more comfortable and confident amidst this risk? First of all, you have to validate that it's a risk. We have to say, ‘Wow, this is really fucking scary.’ We're surrendering right now. We're jumping off a cliff right now. We don't know what's at the bottom of this pool that we're diving into. Okay, let's acknowledge that it's a risk. That's like the first step.

I think a lot of people are not doing that. A lot of people are not acknowledging the fact that, and I'm just using dieting as an example because that's what I work on with a lot of my clients, that it's a risk to let go of dieting behaviors when you don't know what your body is going to do when you stop restricting food.

And so, one, acknowledge that’s a risk. That's the first step. Then number two is identifying your values and identifying why this risk really is in alignment with what's ultimately important to you. Getting to know yourself intimately and really landing in what's most important to you and remembering like, ‘Okay, this is ultimately in alignment with what's most important to me.’

And then with a lot of my clients, I use this acronym R.I.S.K. So like R, I, S, K. And the “R” stands for rested. So asking yourself, are you rested? Are you nourished? Are you giving your body what it needs to have the energy to dive into this risk? And also, do you still want to take this risk even when you are rested? Because I think sometimes we can, if we're not talking about dieting, we’re about different risks, we can make pretty impulsive decisions, right? So we got to make sure we're rested and nourished as we're diving into the risk.

Number two, like the “I” in risk stands for intention. So like, what is your intention? And how does it align with your values?

The”S”s and risk stands for senses. So can you get grounded into your senses on a daily basis to regulate your nervous system? Sounds super simple and sometimes silly but using sense like candles and essential oils. And tapping into your sense of touch, like stretching and getting massages. Tapping into your sense of sound by listening to regulating music. Just like using your senses, tapping into a sense of sensuality, and that will help you feel more grounded in the risk.

And then the “K” in risk. I'm really going on a tangent now. But the “K” in risk stands for kindness. And can you identify how, ultimately, this risk is going to be the kindest thing for other people in the world? Even if you’re pissing a few people off, how is this risk that you're taking ultimately going to be the most kind thing for others in your life, or people you don't even know yet?

And that was what was really helpful for me, when I decided to step into my holistic approach. I recognized that I have the capacity to help people in a much deeper and more meaningful way. And it's almost unkind of me to not talk about breathwork during my nutrition sessions. It's almost unkind of me to not lead a client who really needs it through like a stretch while they're trying to make it through a really difficult body image moment. And so yeah that’s what I do.

Diana: Yeah, doing a disservice. I mean, going back to the entrepreneurship side. Truly not in like a pressure-y sort of guilt away, but just realizing that our gifts are meant to be out into the world. And I really am of the belief and more and more I'm digging into law of attraction and even Abraham Hicks and all these very whoo things. But the idea that if something is a desire, if something is being lit up in us, it is part of our blueprint. Like our cosmic blueprint of what we are supposed to do.

I'm also reading the Mountain Is You by Brianna Wiest. And she's talking about if we follow our desires, that is going to lead us where we're supposed to go because it's literally within our blueprint. But on a total other tangent, it's so important to not borrow other people's desires. So it's like, how do we know? Like, let's go back to intuition for a second. How do we know what is it? How do we listen to it? What even is intuition? Can we define that for people?

Caitie: Yeah, so I define intuition as an inner knowing that is comprised of your emotions, your instincts, and practical knowledge about yourself. So it's an interplay between those three things. And I always start with intuition in terms of eating and exercise because I think that those are two really tangible places that you can apply it. And once you can really zero in on applying intuition to food and movement, then you can get to a place where you can apply intuition to your business, and your career, and your friendships, and your relationships, and so many different things.

So what I mean by this three part framework, emotions, instincts and practical knowledge about yourself. Emotions are like being willing to feel into what's happening and not necessarily as a directive. Like your emotions are data, not directives. I love that quote. I don't know where it comes from, but I heard it once and it's just like imprinted in my brain now. Emotions are data, not directives. And if you're willing to feel your emotions, you can eliminate emotional clutter and prevent it from inevitably getting the best of you. So it's like tuning into how you're feeling in a situation and really being willing to lean into it so that you can clear emotional clutter. And also use those emotions as some data for how you're feeling about a certain desire or about a certain decision.

Then your instincts are little cues from your body. So in the case of food, it's your hunger cues, your fullness cues, and your functional cravings, like very tangibly. But your instincts might also just include what we call like, the gut feeling or like tuning into like your sacral center, if you're into like human design and things like that.

And then rational thoughts and practical knowledge about yourself is quite obvious. It's what I was just describing with what are your personal values? What's important to you? What lights you up? What makes you happy? What hobbies do you enjoy?

So integrating those three things. Being willing to feel your emotions so you can clear out emotional clutter and also just use those emotions as like a little bit of data and not necessarily directives. Tuning into your instincts. So with food, it might be your hunger cues, your fullness cues, but it might also be like, gut instincts, or fatigue, or whatever your body's sending you instinctually. And then using practical, rational knowledge about yourself and finding a peaceful interplay between those three things. That comprises your intuition.

I think it's not easy to tap into your intuition. You've got to be willing to do work so that you can really connect with your emotions, really feel your emotions, really feel your instincts, and really get to know and be truthful about this practical knowledge about yourself. But once you really can tap into these three things, it does start to flow a little bit more. Once you kind of crack open the first layers of your intuition. It's just like, it gets deeper and deeper and deeper, and it flows easier. And it just you can connect with your intuition in such a more visceral way. It just gets deeper throughout the course of your life if you're willing to kind of start somewhere, knowing that it's not going to be easy to fill in all three parts of this triangle. Did that answer your question?

Diana: Yeah, totally, totally. I think for me, it's like that feeling when you just know. You just know. And I've even experienced it like, we talk about dating a lot. There's been times when I have tried to gaslight myself and tell myself that what I have is amazing and I should feel good in it. And then all of a sudden, it's like this body rejection. Like I can no longer be here.

And I think what's kind of beautiful around that is it might feel like a lot of pressure to follow our intuition. That might feel daunting. But it's like, no matter what, it's kind of the metaphor of the universe is going to tap you on the shoulder. And then it's going to knock on your door and then it's just going to be like, throwing you over their shoulder and carrying you out.

So it's like, I really believe that. Even if we're not listening to it right away, eventually it's going to be loud. So there can be almost like less pressure on ourselves to be like, ‘Oh, my God, what if I make the wrong choice? And what if I end up down this path 20 years later, and it's the wrong path?’ And it's like, I really don't believe that's true. I believe, you're gonna know, even if it's like, quiet at first and loud later. Would you agree?

Caitie: Yes, yes. I mean, I have always found that like, my intuition, the gut instincts part of it, right? Because that's the one one piece of it, like the gut instinct part. It'll start as like a whisper and if I don't listen to it, it ends up being like a brick to the head.

And so I think there's two things I want to speak to you about what you said. The first thing is that intuition does start to feel like a knowing once you're willing to really get to know yourself in these three ways. And if you look back, I guarantee every intuitive decision you've made, you can kind of look back and see how it was a dynamic interplay between your emotions, your instincts and practical knowledge about yourself.

I think when people think of intuition, they tend to overemphasize the gut instincts piece of it. And that is a piece of it, right? It's a piece of intuitive eating because we do have to listen to our hunger cues and our fullness cues. It's a piece of intuitive exercise because we have to listen to our fatigue cues and what our body's asking us to do that day and what our body needs that day. It's a piece of intuitive dating because we have to pay attention to how does our body feel when we meet a person for the first time. And it's never the whole thing. It's an overemphasized piece of the puzzle, I think, when it comes to intuition.

And then sometimes people will overemphasize the rational thoughts piece. And they'll just get in their head and they'll only think about the practical and rational knowledge about themselves, ignoring the emotional piece and ignoring the instinctual piece.

So, I think it's important. It’s like you can think about there was one moment where my gut was really talking to me. But also, you were really willing to feel your emotions at that point. So that was helpful. There wasn't emotional clutter that was there that was like getting the best of you. And then you were also really in touch with practical and rational knowledge about yourself. So you could go back and kind of connect those dots.

Diana: How do you think, I mean, as entrepreneurship, as dating, as eating, whatever it looks like, right? It's all the same strategy. How do you think we can differentiate it feeling hard? And us having resistance to that hard, right? Like, ‘Oh, I don't want to get up and work out.’ There's like, the whole just trend of if you don't feel like it, don't push yourself. It's like, where's the middle line of hey, like, this is actually good for your body, but you're not used to this? So it's gonna be hard for a minute. Where is that line to where we go I'm pushing myself too much, even in entrepreneurship. I am doing too much versus I'm just doing this with ease, which we want, but also we have to do. Like, let's be real. There are things on the to do list we actually have to make happen.

Caitie: Yeah, yeah. I think following your intuition isn't just this fluffy, like it feels easy, breezy, all the time. And that applies certainly to intuitive eating. I think a lot of people think intuitive eating is just like eat whatever you want and see what happens. That's absolutely not what intuitive eating is at all. It’s, you definitely listen to your body and you follow practical, rational knowledge about nutrition and end up eating a balanced and healthy diet for that reason.

And similarly with exercise and you know, these entrepreneurship, these things that are going to inevitably feel hard sometimes, I think it's, one, not forgetting the practical and rational knowledge about yourself piece. Because then you can really check in with your intention.

Like if it's really early in the morning after you've been out late at night and your alarm goes off because you're meant to go on a run and you really don't feel like going, what is the intention for you getting out of bed and going anyway? Is it that you are afraid you're gonna gain weight if you don't go on this run? Because if that's the case, don't you dare push yourself because you're not actually connected with your values and what's really important to you there. You're really trying to chase a societal standard and alleviate your body image anxiety. Is the intention for you going on this run, even though you're a little bit tired, to relieve stress? And because you're training for a half marathon that's coming up that weekend? and that's a very values aligned community oriented event?

Like, okay, maybe in that case, you can nudge yourself to run. However, make sure that it's not going to be at the expense of your ultimate health and energy levels throughout the rest of the day because then you're going to lose touch with your instincts part of your intuition triangle. And also, could you be willing to be flexible with it as well. Maybe you don't go on the whole five miles that you intended to go on. Maybe you just go running for however long it feels okay to be running. And maybe once you get started, it feels great. And maybe once you get started, it feels like shit and are you willing to stop?

So I think the intention piece is really big. Like, what is your intention when you're pushing yourself? Or not pushing. I don't like the word pushing. Never push yourself. When you're challenging yourself. What's the intention when you're challenging yourself?

The other piece that I was going to speak to is how flexible are you willing to be in the way that you're going to challenge yourself? Because if there's no room for flexibility, then that's a sign that you're pushing yourself in a little bit more of a pathological way or a way that's more destructive to you. If you're like, ‘Okay, I really don't feel like working on this one aspect of my business right now but I know that I need to in order to roll the ball forward and achieve what I want to or serve the people that I want to. Let me nudge myself to do it.’ Can you say like, ‘I don't necessarily have to be on the computer until midnight, or doesn't necessarily have to be perfect. Or I can take a little bit of messy action like you always speak about right?’

So I think checking in with intention is really important. And then also checking in with how flexible are you willing to be? Because if you're not willing to be flexible, then that's a sign that you're kind of pushing yourself for the wrong reasons and getting really rigid about it.

Diana: Yeah, I love just intention. I've been talking, I’ve been rerecording the Camp Clarity modules, which is so fun. And talking about intention a lot, whether it's a social media post, or an email, or any of this stuff, it's like, what is the intention behind the thing? Right? Whether it's even, I'm posting a testimonial on my feed, and it's not going to get a lot of likes because that's just kind of how it rolls. But the intention to have it there is so that if someone comes to your page, they can see that and binge that content and see how you've affected other people's businesses, or whatever that looks like.

If the intention for posting is because you have to, and you should, I'm also a big believer in that energy. Like that energy is going to come through versus me posting, can it be messy? Can it be just authentic and real? And can I just show up for my people today? Because someone maybe needs to hear this thing. And that's such a different energy, right?

And I feel like all of those intentions stacking up really feeds an energy wheel where we're just, rolling with it. The more we do with intention that's aligned to our core values, the more we're just going to live in that and our frequency is just going to rise. And then we're just like living the highlife and things are coming our way and things are more easy. So really, I think it's like, intuition, intention following that, actually, is what leads to more ease. Yeah, but it's got to like stack on itself.

Caitie: Yes, yes. I always tell my clients to think of their intuition like a muscle. It's like, the more you are willing to follow it and flex it and work it, the stronger and the deeper it's going to be and the easier it's going to feel. Just like going on a run. Like the first time you run it frickin sucks. And if you're someone whose body is capable of running and you enjoy running, like the third time you go on the run, the fifth time you go on the run, the 10th time you go on the run, it's gonna get a lot easier. And so think of your intuition and connecting to your intention being part of that as a muscle. And the more you use it, the stronger it's going to get.

I feel so strongly about helping people connect to their intuition, through food and movement and wellness and then just trying to apply that on every single level. I really do think it's such a missing element In a lot of business coaching and entrepreneurial content because entrepreneurs are kind of being, in some ways, told to ignore their intuition, in a lot of cases. It's like, follow your intuition when it comes to creating your latest offer and your course, but ignore your intuition and post on Instagram every single day and it doesn't feel good. And then like, follow your intuition when it comes to like building your community and thinking of your ideal client, but then ignore your intuition when it comes to nutrition because you need to stay skinny and like your body needs to look perfect.

Diana: Yeah and you don't have time to eat lunch. Can we just like, disclaimer, PSA, please, everyone, just put a lunch block on your calendar. If you're an entrepreneur, just put a lunch block on your calendar that no one can schedule over. It's so important. I was seriously in a place for a while just like not having time to eat. But that's your issue. You gotta make time. You got to make time and we're all about boundaries around here.

Caitie: Yeah. I always say like, eating is not something that like goes on your to-do list. It's something that you do so that you can do your to-do list. And you need energy to be able to do things that you're going to do. So don't think of eating as like, I don't have time. It's like, I can't eat, I have too much on my to-do list. But you can't do the to-do list without food.

Diana: Yeah, totally, totally. I want to go into comparison and fear of judgment for a second. So picture this, we're out on this ship, boats, wooden, old school, Greek boat in the middle of the blue sea with 12 total women on this Greece retreat. Caitie leads a nice little meditation moment, which was one of everyone's favorite part of the trip just because we're like, in Greece, and we're on this boat in the middle of the sea and we're surrounded by like-minded people. And there's so often we don't actually tap in and become grateful for that moment. We just kind of move through the motions. And I think that's what you say too, with the sensory thing. Like, can you sit? Can you feel this boat beneath you? Can you smell the sea? Can you feel the wind in your hair and just be really present there? Right?

So what came out of that conversation was, because there is like this cliche, especially of six and seven figure entrepreneurs on a yacht with champagne, right? That we're like, kind of on this yacht, but it's not. It's like our version of a yacht. It's like this cool, old school, wooden ship. And we're drinking not champagne, but some Italian wine situation, right? And we're like, are we those people? Are we those people? And how do we… We have these friends and family who are just not on the same page as us a lot of times as entrepreneurs. They're judging us, they're actually really triggered by us being so happy, and living these full lives.

And so back to the very beginning of this conversation about staying safe. A lot of times staying small, makes us safe. And I've even been dealing with that lately of just like, it's way easier to just not make as much money. It's way easier to not be so big and extravagant because that makes my people, which who aren't really my people, but a lot of maybe like blood relatives or like old high school friends or whatever, a lot more comfortable.

So can we just speak on that and your experience with that? Like, how do we break through that? How do we also, I think there's a huge like, back to the yacht analogy, we're judging other people who are like that, right? Just like you said, you didn't want to be this influencer nutritionist. You don't want to look like that.

So a lot of times we make ourselves smaller because it's like, well, I don't want to be that. And yeah, for me that's like the business coach that's showing her calculator of how much money she makes every day. That triggers the fuck out of me. And I'm just like, I don't want to be that and I know it triggers my clients and all the above. So then it's like, no, I'm going to be the humble, authentic person who doesn't like talk about money as much. But that's not serving anyone either.

Caitie: Yeah. Is there a specific question there? Like, how do you break through that, basically?

Diana: Yeah, I would love for you to talk about your own experience. Because on that boat, you had your own experience. Like I’m on a fucking boat and so much of my close people are judging me for being this happy.

Caitie: So, like I was saying earlier, when I talked about my transition from being more of a clinical dietitian to being more of a holistic dietician and body image coach, I was so afraid of what other dietitians were going to think of me. If I was being, if I was turning into like, again, an Instagram influencer that doesn't have nutrition credentials. And it's just kind of woowoo like free-balling it. Like just telling people what to eat, and like how to meditate in the morning, and how to biohack and all that shit.

I was so afraid to be viewed that way. And I finally broke free from that through a nice combination of therapy, and business coaching, and really validating incredible experiences with clients who I’ve been able to work with. And through building authentic relationships with my clients, I’ve been able to recognize that. Like, ultimately, the approach I'm taking is the approach that I was born to take.

However, once I stepped out of that, then it was like, oh, well, now I've kind of become a nomadic dietitian and I left New York, New Jersey, where my whole family is and has always been and will stay forever. And I felt really different when I did that. And now I'm like, oh, my family is judging me, and people that I went to school with are judging me. And they're assuming that I'm just like, as you were saying, when we were on the boat. I was like, I didn't want people to assume that I'm just one of those MLM crazy people that's like, here's how much money I make and now I'm working on a boat in Greece. That's just not me. That's so misaligned with my values system. And I was so afraid that people were gonna judge me in that way.

And now through a beautiful combination of finding community and talking to people about it, and also having some really important conversations with some of my family members as well, I've recognized that I really can break free from this fear of judgment too.

But when it comes to breaking free from it, and like how I did that. Like I said, it was a combination of things. But I think it really does also come down to the same R.I.S.K. acronym. It's the same thing. It's like, okay, am I rested? Because if I'm not rested, then my brain is going to be scattered and tired and try to source safety in whatever way it can. And very often, when our brain defaults to a safety mechanism, it's like, okay, is my mom judging me? Is my dad judging me like our primary caretakers? Right? We care the most biologically about these things and you can just flop into these very lazy ways of assessing our safety when we're not rested.

And then it's like, what's my intention here? Okay, I'm going on a retreat in Greece to be their wellness facilitator. My intention is to be on a retreat with a bunch of entrepreneurial women who are very vulnerable to eating disorders, and restrictive dieting, and rigid exercise and show them that there's a different way to do this shit. And just go in the yoga studio and do an intuitive yoga flow, and then dance and have fun. Exercise doesn’t have to be rigid. That's my intention. It's not for me to go and show off that I'm in Greece, and take cool pictures and get lots of likes on Instagram when I'm in the clear blue water floating on my back.

And then the “S”, right? Senses like you were saying, connected to my senses. Staying grounded in my senses on a daily basis. Having practices that bring me back to the present moment as much as possible so I'm not living life in my head. Because that's where all this fear happens, right? It happens in our head. So if I can drop out of these thoughts, and these ruminations about who's going to judge me and drop into my body, I realize I'm usually okay.

And then the “K” is like kindness. Ultimately, you have to be willing to be not liked by some people, in order to be the kindest version of yourself. I really think that. I think someone who is liked by everyone isn't really being the most benevolent person, right? Because they're not actually taking risks. They're not being willing to be judged. Like, the kindest person is the one who is is willing to be judged, I believe. The kindest person is someone who's willing to say, I'm going to take ABC action for the benefit of ABC person at the risk that someone might not approve of it. And that gets to be okay because this isn't about me. This isn't about everyone liking me. And this isn't about being the most popular girl at school. And this isn't about having the most followers. This is about helping people. I hope that resonates.

Diana: Oh, that was so good. Like mic drop. Just being, like, the kindest person is the person willing to be judged? Willing to be not liked? So good, so true, so resonates.

And that should be a huge permission slip to all of you listening, right? Just that. Yeah, like we don't like we don't want to be Regina George. That's not the vibe. We want to make impact. That's why we're here. That's why we're doing something that's against the status quo. We're already on a crazy journey as entrepreneurs. We're already grinding against the gears. We're already kind of swimming up the societal stream to our own version. So it's like, you may as well go all out and like, do it up. And not just spray champagne on yachts. But really, again, check in with your intentions. I think that's so important. I love this.

So could we, as we sort of wrap this conversation up, I would love to know any practical things, and I know they might not be the same for everyone, they might not resonate with people. Some people, they might be the thing. But what would you recommend just as like a daily practice, or even a morning routine for an entrepreneur who is really wanting to check in with their intuition and start their day out on the right foot? How can they check in to make sure they're moving forward in an intentional way?

Caitie: Yeah, that's so good. I love that you provided the caveat of it's not gonna work for everyone, because I love saying that all the time. I'm like, this is not a substitute for individualized medical or mental health advice. I'm still clinical dietitian Caitie. It’s still there. And yes, not everything is gonna work for everyone.

However, I do love to recommend a few things to everyone to build a morning routine that's truly potent. And the first thing is to slow down what you're already doing. So do you already wash your face in the morning? Can you do that a little bit slower? Can you smell your face wash? Can you say like, ‘Wow, I'm so grateful for this fucking face wash right now. Like, this is great!’ Do you open your blinds? Can you do that a little slower, and just like stare out the window for a second, like an old lady or a cat? Just look at the sun and slow that down a little bit. Do you already drink coffee in the morning? Can you sip it slowly and hold the mug with two hands and give yourself a moment to just drink it.

So I think that's the first thing. Like, whatever you already do in the morning, even if it's just taking a pee and washing your face, maybe you slow it down a little bit more and just let it be a little bit less of a chaotic, rushed thing.

The second thing that I recommend a lot of people do is journal. And if it doesn't resonate with you, it doesn't resonate with you. But at the very least if you could just write a to-do list of what you intend to do for that day, that can also be really beautiful. What are some things that I really want to get done today? And then what's my intention? How do I want to show up? What kind of energy do I want to show up with? Is my intention kindness? Is my intention healing from something, whatever?

And then the last thing that I recommend is eating breakfast because breakfast is great! And I find that most people who overeat at night, air quotes, just skip breakfast. Like they don't have an overeating problem. You just delay breakfast as long as humanly possible and then feel ravenously hungry and disconnected from your hunger fullness cues throughout the day. So I recommend breakfast.

Diana: With the journaling, because I am challenged by this. Sometimes I journal if something's just like, I gotta talk to somebody and it's got to be my journal. But I would love to have a better, not better, not that we're judging it, but just like a more consistent journaling practice. What would you say besides the to-do list would be a way to prompt that? Where do we even start?

Caitie: I think journaling. With journaling, the most important thing is to release perfectionist tendencies around it and know that any moment that you take to write something down on the page that you're thinking about is giving you a moment to become separated from your thoughts, which is so valuable.

Any sort of separation from your thoughts getting up, picking a thought out of your head and putting it down onto paper gives you separation from it. That in it of itself can be so valuable. Can make you realize that your thoughts are bullshit. It can make you realize that your thoughts are beautiful. it can make you realize that you are not your thoughts. Like, there's just so much that that can do in it of itself. So one thought on paper can be really helpful.

What is the thing that you cannot stop thinking about? Write it down. Even if it's like, ‘I wonder if I'm gonna go on a date with this person again.’ Write that shit down because from there, something else is going to come. So I always recommend that and just knowing the power of letting go of perfectionism with it. You don't need to write a beautiful novel or prose or anything like that. In order for it to be a successful journaling practice, you just got to get a little bit of separation from your thoughts.

But if it resonates with you, I also recommend doing some sort of spiritual journaling practice. If you're someone who feels like you can connect to a higher power or wants to like do a little breathing meditation. I actually do this every morning. My personal practice is like, ‘Dear universe, or Dear people watching over me, or Dear whatever, what would you have me know today?’ and then I just start writing and take the pressure off.

And honestly, most of the time, it's like the same thing. Most of the time, it ends up being some iteration of, like, ‘Slow down Caitie. You're doing a great job.’ It's fine. Everything's good. And that's just okay. It's fine. Sometimes profoundly different things come out. But most of the time, it's like, just telling yourself what you need to hear.

Diana: Yeah. Beautiful. So before we go into lightning round. We'll be fast. How can we connect with you? What do you want us to know?

Caitie: Yeah so. I'd told my client, I'd be like two to five minutes late, by the way, so we have a little buffer.

But one thing I'd love to offer to everyone listening to the show is a free 20 minute call. If you're interested in connecting and learning more about one-on-one coaching or about doing a 90-minute intensive with me or about my group coaching programs, we can hop on a free 20-minute call where we can identify three ways that you can start connecting to your intuition or the wisdom of your body today.

So we can hop on that call and just get the ball rolling on you connecting to your intuition for eating, for movement, for any area of your health or wellness that you want to work on. Or maybe even for your business as well, just getting connected to your gut instinct. So happy to offer that at

And also, you can follow me on Instagram at caitie.crd. There's dots between Caitie and C, R, D but I guess that will be linked in the show notes. My name is a little funny to spell. No one is expecting Caitie so just look at the show notes.

Love connecting with people on Instagram. Love sharing my travels there. I'm currently in Lisbon right now, we didn't end up talking about it but that's another Nomad special. And where else… Oh, I have a podcast called Whole Full, and Alive that Diana already shouted out at the beginning of the show, which is amazing. So would love to connect with you there too.

Diana: Amazing. And we'll actually link the episode you and I were on in Costa Rica about the dating situation. And we'll link that in the show notes so you can just dig in there and then go from there.

Yeah, and we are having another episode soon and maybe we'll talk about Nomad life over there so you’ll have to stay tuned!

Okay, you ready for lightning round? We could not end this podcast without knowing your astrology. So sun, moon, and rising please?

Caitie: Cool. So I'm a Scorpio sun, and a Taurus moon, and a Leo rising and all my other planets are in Scorpio.

Diana: It makes so much sense like, the Scorpio, the sensuality, the depth. Leo you're like, let's be real. We haven't talked about this but Caitie's the one twerking on the dance floor. Like she is out there. She loves to be seen. She loves to be loud. She loves to move her body. So I feel like Leo is it and then Taurus, you're just such like a nesting grounded person as well. When we traveled together in Greece, it was like we all got our crystals out, we all got our candles out. The whole thing.

Caitie: So I love the ground. I love to nest and I love to nurture people so I know that my moon sign makes sense. But then I also am very much a dancer, very much a twerker, very much a performer. Leo season right now.

Diana: Love it. What does creativity mean to you?

Caitie: I've recently had this epiphany about creativity for myself and I realized that it's me making magic out of my mess. Like, I love in addition to just creating my own business, right and creating my own nutrition modalities and fitness classes and things like that, I also love creating art through poetry, and through dance choreography, and through things like that. And I recently recognized that the only time I'm ever feeling inspired to do that is when I'm feeling really strong emotions.

And I recently went through a breakup. And it was an interesting one of the most unique breakups of all time. I'll speak about it on our episode. But I had some anger to channel from that breakup. I had some sadness to channel from that breakup. And I found myself just writing more poetry than I've ever written in my life and feeling the need to create things with my hands more.

And I just feel like creativity is for me, ends up being how I clear emotions and energy out of my body and how I create magic from just challenging situations. That's why I couldn't be in a career where someone was going to tell me exactly how I needed to do something because I need creativity in order to be my fully expressed self and in order to heal from shit.

Diana: Magic out of the mess. I love it. Do you have an entrepreneurial crush? Someone you admire?

Caitie: I have so many entrepreneurial crushes.

Diana: Do you want to shout one out?

Caitie: Everyone on our Greece retreat. I love Jo Franco who started the Jo Club, the journaling club. It's a perfect tie in from us, just perfect. Like she's fucking amazing. I love what she's created. And I also love, she's really passionate about journaling, but she's also really passionate about learning foreign languages. And she was separating those two things for a while. And then she eventually created a journal that is designed to help you learn a foreign language. And she's like, this is what happens when you combine your two seemingly unrelated interests. And it was like a best-seller, this journal. I'm just like, fuck. This is yes. I love it. She's so cool.

Diana Yeah, yeah, I need to do a whole episode on should you have two Instagram accounts.

What are you reading or listening to?

Caitie: I'm reading Everything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton right now. And I love a good memoir. Oh my god, I just can't read any other kind of book. I've just come to terms with it. I just love memoirs. I love hearing people reflect on their lives and tell their stories and make them funny and messy and beautiful and imperfect and poetic. And I just, this book's really good. And so yeah, any memoir, I'm probably reading it.

And what do I listen to? I listen to a lot of music. Oh, I know a good one. Our mutual energy coach who did my soul blueprint session, Anna. I love her mantra music. I recently discovered the power of mantra music and the power of just like singing affirmations and just playing that kind of cheesy music that feels like it's a little bit like toxic positivity, but it's really not. It's so high vibe. And it just feels really nice to play that shit in the morning. Like I'm claiming it.

Diana: Yeah, we'll link that in the show notes as well Anna Cantwell, she’s amazing.

Okay, if money, time, resources didn't matter. Judgment didn’t matter, comparison didn't matter. What would you create, just to create?

Caitie: Yeah, well, I definitely want to write my own memoir. And if I had, if I could just take a month or two off and just go and write it, I really would love to do that. And also, I'm going to create this anyway but I want to lead my own retreats and create community spaces for my clients to come together in person. I had a dream a couple nights ago about all my clients sitting together at a table. And I was like, wow, this is really powerful. So I really feel like I'm called to do that right now. I'd go balls to the wall with it. If money wasn't the obstacle, though, we would be in the coolest location. I’ll bring them all for free. Like, it’ll just be great.

Diana: Yeah. I love that. So good. Oh, my God.

And if you had a dream about it, we know it's witchy. Like Caitie is the witchiest person. It's not even her fault. It's just, it happens and it's great. So anything that she says, just follow. It's very real. I love it.

This was such an awesome conversation. Thank you so much for being here. And so many tactical things to just take away from this and start tapping into our intuition. So thank you, I love you. I adore you. See you soon!

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